Grev wrote:

ThePanda wrote:Free Radical are gone, but the people of Free Radical are now in Crytek UK (I think?). Eitherway, we can only hope FR's BFIII is remade, since the assets and whatnot are on the move, just not the engine/code etc.

Also, happy new year

Free radicals remnants doesn't have the assets, and doesn't have a contract to work on the game. They only have the engine. So your statement was super wrong.

As for ground to space, if you watch the clip, there's no AI, as the mode was super flawed, so it was removed. It doesn't matter because the game doesn't exist as we'd seen it in the footage though.

Uh, you just repeated what ThePanda said.

How'd you know AI was glitched? It could be that they hadn't yet finished polishing the AI for that mode, or it was running in some sort of player-only test.

Grev wrote:Free radicals remnants doesn't have the assets, and doesn't have a contract to work on the game. They only have the engine. So your statement was super wrong.

As for ground to space, if you watch the clip, there's no AI, as the mode was super flawed, so it was removed. It doesn't matter because the game doesn't exist as we'd seen it in the footage though.

You did repeat what I said , I probably didn't make it clear enough.

I meant that the assets used to make the game are passed on to the new developer depending on what the contract's clauses are. The engine and code stays with the original developer and doesn't get passed on.

Also, source on your second statement?

Grev wrote:As for ground to space, if you watch the clip, there's no AI, as the mode was super flawed, so it was removed. It doesn't matter because the game doesn't exist as we'd seen it in the footage though.

You shouldn't go around making things up, Ground to space was not flawed or removed, and can be played in Elite Squadron.

The original way of going from ground to space was by having all of the areas (Ground, Space, Interior) combined as one map, thus making it so the entire thing was extremely barren of AI. That's what he was saying.

Without the resources to double or triple the AI count, they had to introduce a cutscene system (which even a former FR employee mentioned they had to resort to) to make the AI reload into another area. The PSP couldn't even support the interiors of the capital ships in space so they had to add another cutscene event to the original two from the console version.

Fusion wrote:Without the resources to double or triple the AI count, they had to introduce a cutscene system (which even a former FR employee mentioned they had to resort to) to make the AI reload into another area. The PSP couldn't even support the interiors of the capital ships in space so they had to add another cutscene event to the original two from the console version.

And this is why they should have made it for more systems, including PC.

I'd gladly settle for having a cutscene to go between land and space. I'm sure combining the atmosphere alongside land wouldn't be too much of a problem, though there were a lot of capital ships in the alpha leak. I think there were around 2 or 3 Venators alongside some Acclamators, as well as the CIS ships. Unless they were to play a pivotal role in the map, I think they should be cut down on.

However, Free Radical were more of a multiplayer developer weren't they? So if they were given more time I would've thought they would have come up with a suitable way to get around the problem.

DarthRogueKnight wrote:

Grev wrote:As for ground to space, if you watch the clip, there's no AI, as the mode was super flawed, so it was removed. It doesn't matter because the game doesn't exist as we'd seen it in the footage though.

You shouldn't go around making things up, Ground to space was not flawed or removed, and can be played in Elite Squadron.

Fusion wrote:The original way of going from ground to space was by having all of the areas (Ground, Space, Interior) combined as one map, thus making it so the entire thing was extremely barren of AI. That's what he was saying.

Without the resources to double or triple the AI count, they had to introduce a cutscene system (which even a former FR employee mentioned they had to resort to) to make the AI reload into another area. The PSP couldn't even support the interiors of the capital ships in space so they had to add another cutscene event to the original two from the console version.

DING! It was flawed, and was reported as removed to due being:

a) barren of AI
b) needing a cutscene switch, which would've most likely made it multi-player incompatible.
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ThePanda wrote:Free Radical are gone, but the people of Free Radical are now in Crytek UK (I think?). Eitherway, we can only hope FR's BFIII is remade, since the assets and whatnot are on the move, just not the engine/code etc.

Also, happy new year

Yikes, I'm sorry, I understood that as "the assets are on the move [with FR], just not the engine/code etc".

Sorry!

Grev wrote:

Fusion wrote:The original way of going from ground to space was by having all of the areas (Ground, Space, Interior) combined as one map, thus making it so the entire thing was extremely barren of AI. That's what he was saying.

Without the resources to double or triple the AI count, they had to introduce a cutscene system (which even a former FR employee mentioned they had to resort to) to make the AI reload into another area. The PSP couldn't even support the interiors of the capital ships in space so they had to add another cutscene event to the original two from the console version.

DING! It was flawed, and was reported as removed to due being:

a) barren of AI
b) needing a cutscene switch, which would've most likely made it multi-player incompatible.

Where the heck are you guys getting your info from? Nobody actually came out the FR transitions were borked. I can easily see the reason for the PSP version, but the only thing we know about the FR version was from one little bit of the video, which was still in development when it got shut down. What we saw could have still been polished and optimized to keep the free flowing transitions, but time ran out for FR.

Exactly, Tean'. The video we saw was in 'Alpha Stage', so I'm guessing development at that point was around 60/70% - plenty of room to optimise the AI and other things. But since FR's BFIII is claimed to be dead and gone, we'll never have what they had.

I can only hope that somehow everything is just a big plan to stop the game from getting overhyped, and the game got carried on over to Crytek. That would be awesome, though it doesn't make much sense.

The interviews with Free Radical seem to indicate that that they always had seamless space-to-land transitions, but that this technology "is dying with us". So, Rebellion, or whoever got the game, would have to have that seamed, cutscene-transition application. Not just that, Rebellion were using an 'enhanced' variation of the Renegade Squadron Engine. So, of course, whatever FR had done wasn't going to be copied exactly onto Elite Squadron. It ended up as a PSP and DS game, which have much lower specifications than PC/PS3/XBox360.

ggctuk wrote:The interviews with Free Radical seem to indicate that that they always had seamless space-to-land transitions, but that this technology "is dying with us". So, Rebellion, or whoever got the game, would have to have that seamed, cutscene-transition application. Not just that, Rebellion were using an 'enhanced' variation of the Renegade Squadron Engine. So, of course, whatever FR had done wasn't going to be copied exactly onto Elite Squadron. It ended up as a PSP and DS game, which have much lower specifications than PC/PS3/XBox360.

Yep - I doubt there were ever any plans at all to go seamless on the PSP version, just on the next-gen ones.

And even though FR got canned from the project, I can see how their leaking the video is a ploy to get Lucasarts to pick them back up. I mean, everywhere that video got leaked everyone praised what it was. I don't think it's entirely impossible that FR (now Crytek UK) got picked back up on the game, but it's probably not likely, like others have said. If they did get picked back up, they'd still have a lot of work to do. They'd have to can the old story, which means a rewrite and recreation of new characters/story specific stuff. Not to mention optimizations.

Well nobody knows where BFIII is exactly, but the best bet for us to take is that LucasArts are developing it internally. I noticed on their website that they're looking for 'engineers, artists and designers', so it could be a possibility of helping them finish whatever project, maybe BFIII? Of course alongside others.

ThePanda wrote:Well nobody knows where BFIII is exactly, but the best bet for us to take is that LucasArts are developing it internally. I noticed on their website that they're looking for 'engineers, artists and designers', so it could be a possibility of helping them finish whatever project, maybe BFIII? Of course alongside others.

That could also be for the force unleshed 2 as they need developers for that or swbf3 which i highly doubt

I was trying to stay away from this topic but seams il have to post.
Free radicals version of the game is dead, the game we saw in the footage wont be. so all those leaked footage pics are of the old game.

Teancum wrote: Yep - I doubt there were ever any plans at all to go seamless on the PSP version, just on the next-gen ones.

And even though FR got canned from the project, I can see how their leaking the video is a ploy to get Lucasarts to pick them back up. I mean, everywhere that video got leaked everyone praised what it was. I don't think it's entirely impossible that FR (now Crytek UK) got picked back up on the game, but it's probably not likely, like others have said. If they did get picked back up, they'd still have a lot of work to do. They'd have to can the old story, which means a rewrite and recreation of new characters/story specific stuff. Not to mention optimizations.

Teancum....havent you learned yet? Lucasarts do not listen to there fans. Free Radical are only releasing all this leaked footage to [Diet Dr. Pepper] lucasarts off. Because lucasarts made them bankcrupt. Thats the only reason they released the pic. Other wise lucasarts wouldnt be trying to get sites to remove the pic's and video

In my opinion we wont see swbf3 for a long time. Because if they are re-writing the story it will take a year, and then the levels as well. And at the moment no one knows where the game is, meaning 2 things: the game is dead OR a company is keeping it secret

Krome studios (makes of Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Republic Heros) could be holding the game and developing it, or any of the past studios lucasarts have worked with.

After the VGA let down, im not getting my hopes for swbf3, il only belive it when lucasarts fully announce the game.

LucasArts didn't make them bankrupt, it was the poor quality of Haze that let them down. I'm sure they were relying on that to boost their income so they could carry on with Timesplitters 4 and BFIII.

LucasArts then took the project from them after they went into administration, and soon after Crytek bought them, which is unlucky really, as BFIII could have gone with them had LucasArts actually trusted them a little longer.

Yeah, it was mainly Haze that took FR down. They announced TS4 to try and turn things around. Haze tanked because FR invested in the wrong tech and Ubisoft made them change the whole story.

Man, I so wanted TS4 and now it'll never happen. It'll join Duke.

Also FR was more known to go balls to the wall with crazy things, especially in Time Splitters.

lucasarts played a part in them going bankcrupt. i read it somewhere. and i posted the link in the VGA section

Definitely get us that link.

I just don't exactly see how LA would have a large hand in taking out FR. LA was the publisher, meaning they should have been funding FR for the project, unless LA didn't send the money and most of SWBFIII dev was out of pocket for FR, then I can see it. Still doesn't add up to me.

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... ogle.co.uk

there is your proof said by a ex-employee. that lucasarts made them bankcrupt and backs up my point

Sad to say that about 6-8 months from completing The Game, LucasArts canned it, I do not know all the details about what happened but it got canceled, and that was the death of Free Radical, we could not get a publisher in time for Timesplitters 4 as the directors where forced to make 80% of the company redundant. Then later on they got bought up by Crytek and are now developing some AAA titel. Then later on they got bought up by Crytek, and are now developing some AAA title. I was one of the guys that was made redundant so I am not working at Crytek anymore but at a different games company.

That site is soooooo not a good source of news. Besides, he even said he didn't know:

I don’t know all the details about what happened but it got cancelled

On top of that, there are several typos and grammar errors in the "email" from a "Free Radical employee". Any professional wouldn't be so sloppy, but folks wanting to make up news would.

I'm sure that TS4 went to Crytek when FR was bought up, but the game has been put on hold (Wikipedia, so take this with a grain of salt).

Also, I wouldn't trust anything from BFIII speculation websites.