Looks like a cool upgrade. I guess its like the iOS 4G for iPhones but instead Apple created it for the Mac. What do you guys think?

http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is/

It looks like any ol' Apple upgrade: one or two "new" features for more than what it's worth that have been already done in the past by its competitors.

Yeah... I use a Mac, so I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but why is "what makes a mac a mac" a new program? And why are so many of the things they show-off already existing functions?

Grev wrote:Yeah... I use a Mac, so I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but why is "what makes a mac a mac" a new program? And why are so many of the things they show-off already existing functions?

Apple relies so heavily on advertisement that they feel the need to advertise EVERY POSSIBLE ASPECT OF EVERYTHING IN THEIR PRODUCTS EVER. This is also known as .

i used to dislike mac/apple anything , thought it was just a trendy, cliche thing that image artists bragged about...in all aspects I put all their products down....till i got an iphone and ipad2, its nice to run an entire business and literally never see spam, no popups, everything loads within 3 seconds, just what i want to see , not extras, i can run things in a limited fashion and with giant yummy buttons and touch screen..mostly istantly...i think i would only buy a real mac if i was going to create apps for the apple store but even now there are pc based mac apple making software editor/tools. I like the upgrades if they are free and fix problems with certain releases, sure its spamvertising but what computer related firm isnt spamming the crap out of people.

I basically agree with guru. Does Apple's marketing get annoying sometimes? Of course. But the fact of the matter is, the company puts out good products. I've never had a single problem with any Apple product that I've owned. That said, I'm not going to bother upgrading to Lion. I'd just be paying $30 to add a couple of bells and whistles that I'll never use.

Eggman wrote:...good products...

*straightforward products
Apple tells the consumer every little thing their products can do, while in reality, most everything else can already do that; the problem is most people do not know most everything else can do it all already. Then they oversimplify everything to make it so it is extremely easy to find all of those features resulting in lack of full control over the product.

They are good products because they do what they are designed to do and do it well. Like I said:

I've never had a single problem with any Apple product that I've owned.

No crashing, no freezing, no trying to figure out why things won't run. Besides, not everybody needs to have "full control over the product." When I'm using an iPod, all I want to do is click a button and make music play.

Eggman wrote:They are good products because they do what they are designed to do and do it well. Like I said:

I've never had a single problem with any Apple product that I've owned.

No crashing, no freezing, no trying to figure out why things won't run. Besides, not everybody needs to have "full control over the product." When I'm using an iPod, all I want to do is click a button and make music play.

Mac equivalent of a stop error, only called a kernel panic and doesn't display or provide any troubleshooting information whatsoever.

Eggman wrote:No crashing, no freezing, no trying to figure out why things won't run.

Really? Same with me, and I use Windows Vista! We're crash-free buddies!

Eggman wrote:They are good products because they do what they are designed to do and do it well.

Ha, ha, ha ha, good one. iTunes, good, yeah, ha, what a joke; every now and then it decides to "corrupt" my library and I have to start all over again, this is a huge inconvenience. Plus, Apple embeds malware into their automatic updates, this has been proven. Also, look at and read through this:

This isn't a debate of Mac vs. PC. I never said anything against Windows operating systems. I use them all the time as well, and generally don't have any troubles with them. I know that Macs do have crashes - I'm not as naive as you seem to be implying - but I have yet to encounter one in 2+ years of using a Macbook. They are designed to be simple for a reason: there are people out there who like simplicity.

I know, I am simply proving to you that Macs do have their own fair share of crashes and instabilities. K.

So does any piece of hardware. Eggman's just saying that they're good, well-structured products that have been designed to be straightforward, and user-friendly.

Simplicity indeed, since my iPad my pc has been used maybe ten times

Back on topic it seems like not a very huge update but the name is cool and it adresses some compatibilty issue, maybe I'll get a Full Mac on day and bust out some apps

I loved how that giant "Macs have big problems" thing lists "hostile advertising" as one of Apple's drawbacks.

CressAlbane wrote:I loved how that giant "Macs have big problems" thing lists "hostile advertising" as one of Apple's drawbacks.

There are a lot of things wrong with that graphic, but to keep away from debate, I'll discuss just the Mac one.

For one, Macs don't have a small market share. I don't know when that was made, but it isn't too accurate, considering Apple is, I believe, the most valuable company at this point. In fact, if Macs made their computers more gaming compatible....
As for the Foxconn suicide thing, Foxconn also produces Playstations, Wiis, other japanese products, and actually, I believe, the Xbox as well. It's not the "Apple Manufacturer," it's more like the everything manufacturer.

On topic, I don't know if Lion really presents anything I need much. Im quite satisfied with whatever OS I have now, (yes, I guess I do fall into the Mac category in the graph in that I don't understand computers - for which I'm glad to have my Mac as it rarely gives me anything to worry about), so I don't really think it's worth it.

Grev wrote:I believe, the Xbox as well.

Correct.

Grev wrote:It's not the "Apple Manufacturer," it's more like the everything manufacturer.

Pretty much, they also help make PCs last I heard. Macs, PCs, they make loads of both. The issue of course with Foxconn is how they make these things, but thats an entirely different discussion.

I don't see an issue with Apple making upgrades to their products. Is it worth it? I don't really know. I tried using a Macbook instead of a laptop, I hated it, so I am not a good judge. I do hate Apple ads though, I really do. They completely attack PCs, and I don't really see why, I may be wrong but I don't recall a lot of Anti-Mac PC ads. That's my worthless 2 cents, take it or leave it. 99% of you will leave it. :p

Grev wrote:For one, Macs don't have a small market share. I don't know when that was made, but it isn't too accurate, considering Apple is, I believe, the most valuable company at this point.

Oh boy, just wait until more people start developing malware for Macs... *COUGH* MAC DEFENDER *COUGH*

Grev wrote:In fact, if Macs made their computers more gaming compatible....

Yes, but to do this, they have to make their hardware more accessible to the OS and its software, thus opening more attack holes.

Grev wrote:As for the Foxconn suicide thing, Foxconn also produces Playstations, Wiis, other japanese products, and actually, I believe, the Xbox as well. It's not the "Apple Manufacturer," it's more like the everything manufacturer.

Yes, and they are a terrible manufacturer, my old motherboard was manufactured by them (I had a Dell) and it proved itself to be "UGH!!!!!"; the reason the Xbox gets the red ring of death is because of its horrible CPU heatsink, developed by Foxconn. (Lol, Chrome wanted to correct that as "Foxiness")


On topic:

I hope the best for Macintosh, and maybe Lion isn't so bad, but I know I don't have the money to purchase it and I am perfectly fine with my computer.

The new Lion OS X is truly a beautiful piece of art in my point of view, I felt simplicity, and total power at my fingertips when I emerged into the Apple store last week to try out their newest creation. To my liking with the aid of a ten gazillion inch monitor my eyes turned to electric mush and enveloped themselves into the machine. Haha to get real now, I simply love the trackpad updates and what-not all that with the three finger swipes and control room thing, it's really brilliant. Unfortunately my Lion copy won't arrive for a bit as I'm waiting for the hard copy and not the download. Honestly, thats the most important, different thing I can think of. Snow Leopard isn't 'too' different, but Lion is just simply faster and better.