Grev wrote:I believe there should be a dueling arena, but knockback should be taken off the lightsabers, and there should be a region where you can use lightsabers, and only there.

Fluffy_the_ic wrote:Okay, to make life a little easier than guessing where everyone is, I edited the layourt Rep made and Caleb edited to include a name on all of the red spots except A2. I also put in the water (sort of) for those who want near-water spots.
Here it is:

Taivyx wrote:

Fluffy_the_ic wrote:Okay, to make life a little easier than guessing where everyone is, I edited the layourt Rep made and Caleb edited to include a name on all of the red spots except A2. I also put in the water (sort of) for those who want near-water spots.
Here it is:

I thought I was on A2
Too bad there aren't pickup-able weapons, I would have liked to include a shooting range on mine with my weapons.

Caleb1117 wrote:Perhaps, there should just be a public Duel Arena, instead of integrating it into anyone's house.

Eggman wrote:

Caleb1117 wrote:Perhaps, there should just be a public Duel Arena, instead of integrating it into anyone's house.

I just had the thought that if a public arena was used, the arena model from RepSharpshooter's Battle Arena could be used and the layout within it could just be changed to something different. It would save the trouble of creating a new model and the billboards at the top could be used to advertise things from a variety of modders.

[12:53] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: Got an idea, how about there's one side in DMI with just the regular civilian look, and the other side will showcase custom units from various modders
[12:53] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: Everyone can input one unit
[12:53] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: each
[12:53] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: and to maximize the showcase potential each unit can carry multiple weapons and stuff
[12:53] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: but how many people we go
[12:53] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: t
[12:53] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: got
[12:54] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: More than a side can hold, but not everyone may want to input a custom unit
[12:54] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: and just to prevent killing other people everyone has unlimited health
[12:54] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: :/
[12:54] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: no
[12:54] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: that wouldn't be fun
[12:54] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: in the battle arenas we want to kill eachother
[12:55] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: oh yeah, the battle arenas.......
[12:55] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: How do you limit killing to the battle arena then?
[12:56] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: something to do with autoturrets that shoot you in public places
[12:56] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: you have to be unarmed
[12:56] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: Ah, I gotcha
[12:56] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: But I still want to be me, and go into a public place though
[12:56] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: too bad there isn't a way for the turrets to shoot at you only when you shoot
[12:57] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: But the weapons on the armed place will be the same kind of stuff?
[12:57] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: blaster rifles, pistols, etc.?
[12:57] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: Yeah
[12:57] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: perhaps there could be regions, where it switches teams
[12:58] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: why not the other side has weapons too but they're the custom units I talked about earlier but the weapons do no damage?
[12:58] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: That way there can be shooting ranges
[12:58] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: Well lets just find another way to keep people from killing each other
[12:59] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: we could put everyone on the same team and boot tk-ers
[12:59] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: but then it wouldn't work in the battle arena
[12:59] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: or we could teleport someone into jail when they tk
[13:00] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: or when they tk they I forgot what I was going to say
[13:00] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: lol
[13:02] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx:
Team 1
-Battle Arena Team, spawns in the battle arena, non-custom units/weapons are deadly

Team 2
-Public Area walk-around team, spawns in the public areas, custom units/weapons are non-deadly
[13:02] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: This will allow for shooting ranges
[13:02] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: and showcases of custom stuff ingame
[13:02] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: What about a 2 teams with units that are the same
[13:02] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: except one has weapons and one doesn't
[13:03] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: we could switch between the too
[13:03] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: two
[13:03] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: that way we can always have customabilty but be safe
[13:03] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: Well the public people in my concept are safe too
[13:04] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: because their weapons don't do damage
[13:05] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: I want them to
[13:05] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: I thought you wanted to limit killing to the battle arena
[13:06] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: The autoturrets will kill armed people in public places
[13:06] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: so you want people to be able to walk in and out of the battle arena?
[13:06] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: sure
[13:07] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: easier than coding lua or something
[13:07] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: honestly I think my idea would be easier
[13:08] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: because you wouldn't need autoturrets
[13:08] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: I want guns that shoot stuf
[13:08] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: not wimpy no damage ones
[13:08] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: Well you can do damagescalehuman = "0.0"
[13:08] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: or something
[13:08] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: and have everything else as 1.0
[13:09] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: and the shooting range targets can be droids
[13:09] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: and since it'll have damagescaledroid as 1.0
[13:09] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: it'll do damage to them
[13:10] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: I dunno
[13:10] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: then you just have a bunch of people shooting eachother with toy guns
[13:10] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: it'll get annoying
[13:10] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: when someone's unloadnig a clip into you
[13:11] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: I like the armed/unarmed idea, armed side, and unarmed side. The unarmed side could also have unlockable police officers to keep the peace
[13:11] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: or do we throw everyone in with guns and see what they do
[13:12] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: as long as there's police it should work
[13:12] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: well there's always gonna be a jerk or two that'll start killing people
[13:12] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: But I'm better at fighting then anyone
[13:12] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: perhaps we should just ban sniper rifles
[13:13] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: or something
[13:13] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: like in kotor
[13:13] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: the only way you could kill someone was hand to hand
[13:13] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: well the armed side would be confined to the battle arena
[13:13] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: so I dunno how they could kill anyone
[13:13] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: besides other armed people
[13:13] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: in the arena
[13:13] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: but the map will be more fun with weapons
[13:14] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: why not knives then?
[13:14] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: lol ok
[13:14] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: that use the grenade anim
[13:14] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: and then in addition the custom weapons and crap?
[13:14] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: or not?
[13:15] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: i dunno
[13:15] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: I'm trying to finish mshex
[13:15] =LH=RepSнarpsнooтer: so we have a city to shoot stuff in
[13:17] =LH= [GT-b] Taivyx: wellok

MercuryNoodles wrote:The purpose of the map, from what I gather, is that the main area is for showcasing maps, models, etc, with a battle arena area for actual combat. If that is so, and you have deadly weapons in the main area, people are going to start killing each other fairly quickly. That will get annoying in short order, since you'll likely wind up having people killing others that may want to spend time viewing the modder material rather than fighting. Remember, there will probably be a lot of non-modders/non-GTers that may have the map, and they won't be so sympathetic to the map's intended purpose.

If deadly weapons are allowed everywhere, the only foolproof way of ensuring nobody's viewing pleasure is ruined is to have an admin present at all times, with a set of non-standard rules to enforce. (I should remind everyone that enforcing even generally accepted rules typical of any game server is often a pain in the rear.) I consider this impractical, from experience with JK2 and JK3 MP, among others. So, we're kind of stuck with living with the annoyance of being shot at inconvenient times, taking away weapons, limiting weapons operated in the city itself, or maybe making a unit specifically for looking around that cannot be killed while all others can fight. Anything beyond that will most likely be too complex to really be worth the effort, and trying to automate any sort of anti-laming system will mean there's no way to take a person's actions in context. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people talking back to an admin script, so I can only imagine how people would react to a server running this map.

Btw, banning the sniper rifle is just rediculous. If you need a counter-sniper that badly, call me. XD Heh.

Caleb1117 wrote:I'd just make it so the fighter team only spawns in the arena area, which cannot be escaped from, but the civilians, can enter into the seating area and watch.