What is considered "Cheating"?

1FGR1NightGhost · Post by **1FGR1NightGhost** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:32 pm

Ok, my clan has beat a couple of other clans in DWs, however (after being beat) they say it dosent count cus "we cheated" Now i know that using FC and making some people stronger or weaker than others, or use of certain "trainer" mods that give weapons insane abilities is OBVIOUSLY cheating.

But
-Does a map like Geonosis or Kashyyk (both stock maps) count as "cheating"
-Sniping at a distance (isnt that what snipers are made for?)
-award remote rockets (for scoring 4 critical hits)
-falling back, and letting a stronger guy cover for you (they whine about that alot)
-using tanks

Im not the only one that thinks these are perfectly fine and strategicly efficent tactics, not "cheating", right?????

RED51 · Post by **RED51** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:50 pm

1FGR1NightGhost wrote:Ok, my clan has beat a couple of other clans in DWs, however (after being beat) they say it dosent count cus "we cheated" Now i know that using FC and making some people stronger or weaker than others, or use of certain "trainer" mods that give weapons insane abilities is OBVIOUSLY cheating.

But
-Does a map like Geonosis or Kashyyk (both stock maps) count as "cheating"
How are they unfair?
-Sniping at a distance (isnt that what snipers are made for?)
Those who complain might not know what cover is
-award remote rockets (for scoring 4 critical hits)
I have never seen this weapon in use, so I can't commit on it...
-falling back, and letting a stronger guy cover for you (they whine about that alot)
Not a bad thing, but don't do it too often
-using tanks
How have you managed to get your tanks to do any real damage? They usually fall victim to grenades and rockets seconds on the scene... for me at least...

Im not the only one that thinks these are perfectly fine and strategicly efficent tactics, not "cheating", right?????

THEWULFMAN · Post by **THEWULFMAN** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:54 pm

1FGR1NightGhost wrote:-Does a map like Geonosis or Kashyyk (both stock maps) count as "cheating"

Not really. Some maps are unbalanced but Kashyyyk isnt one of them IMO. Geonosis is always unbalanced, I have never played a balanced Geonosis map, custom or not.

1FGR1NightGhost wrote:-Sniping at a distance (isnt that what snipers are made for?)

Not even close to cheating, they are just pissed you got the shot.

1FGR1NightGhost wrote:-award remote rockets (for scoring 4 critical hits)

Award Rockets are only usefull on some maps, Hoth, Geonosis, Kashyyyk (I use them to great effect here), Mos Eisly, and a couple others. Its not a cheat, but it can be considered one because not everyone will have maxed awards for this one, as its the hardest to get.

1FGR1NightGhost wrote:-falling back, and letting a stronger guy cover for you (they whine about that alot)

Not a cheat, thats called war. They are just pissed.

1FGR1NightGhost wrote:-using tanks

Now this isnt a cheat, but is not that honorable.

None of these are cheats, sometimes considered unfair, but not cheats. Often people just get pissed that you won and say you cheated.

acryptozoo · Post by **acryptozoo** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:12 pm

sniping from a distance seems perfectly fine to me XD

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and no none of those seem like even close to cheating

Post by **Teancum** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:39 pm

Cheating is simply taking an unnatural and unfair advantage. Playing stock maps with stock classes and doing it well isn't cheating.

The Nasal Abyss · Post by **The Nasal Abyss** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:49 pm

Tell them to cry more. You won fair and square (apparently) and they sound like babies.

1FGR1NightGhost · Post by **1FGR1NightGhost** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:26 am

Its not that were good, just about none of us can dodge, or "no-scope" or do that engineer jumpy-shotgun-det throw heal manuver they all do. We just do better on some maps than others, (i mean how do you dogde i shot that u dont see coming) and rolling around and jumping is kina pointless when battling a tank (although they rarley ever use tanks of their own?)

But yah, we have a reputation for fighting opponets on "n00b/cheat conditions" (since apparently deathstar and tanative are the "correct maps")

But thx for the opinions!

Ping · Post by **Ping** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:55 pm

Don't listen to what they're telling you. Like Teancum said, it's only if the advantage is unnatural, which it quite obviously isn't. I remember racking up the most kills on a server due to the fact everybody was criminally easy compared to me, and then I got kicked for "cheating." BF2, while a good game, is unfortunately home to some of the brattiest people over its servers.

Twilight_Warrior · Post by **Twilight_Warrior** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:12 pm

Ping wrote:BF2, while a good game, is unfortunately home to some of the brattiest people over its servers.

Maybe I've been away for a while, but compared to what? I mean sure, there are a handful of cases like these, but I've found the SWBF2 community to be one of the more mature ones I've played on. I mean, compared to COD or Halo where you have 12 year olds that cuss and swear into the microphone loudly just because they can, or Combat Arms where if ANYONE is doing well, they're reported to Nexon for hacking...
IMO, there are a lot worse communities out there.

Ping · Post by **Ping** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:35 pm

Twilight_Warrior wrote: Maybe I've been away for a while, but compared to what? I mean sure, there are a handful of cases like these, but I've found the SWBF2 community to be one of the more mature ones I've played on. I mean, compared to COD or Halo where you have 12 year olds that cuss and swear into the microphone loudly just because they can, or Combat Arms where if ANYONE is doing well, they're reported to Nexon for hacking...
IMO, there are a lot worse communities out there.

Maybe I should have reworded that.....I guess I was comparing it to people I've met in real life. Still, it's a huge turnoff for me for MP mode. But yeah, I think you're right. I remember my brother saying a friend of his had to give some 10-year old a come-uppance over some L4D server.

Dakota · Post by **Dakota** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:29 pm

acryptozoo wrote:sniping from a distance seems perfectly fine to me XD
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sorry just had to ...
and no none of those seem like even close to cheating

still laughing at the camp reference...

anyway its not really cheating and all of the tactics can be countered that i see. you can counter snipe a sniper or just use a tank. when vs a tank you can use mines or another tank (i know most tank weak spots so i laugh when my friend asks me how his hailfire died in one shot...) the remote rocket can also be countered by a tank.... ok yeah i think tank just beats everything

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also i do think rolling is useful vs a tank. you can get closer to a tank or dodge its rockets or go into cover faster by rolling. i like to try to run up to tanks and then get on top of them place a det, timebomb, mine or some other explosive and then jump off of it right before it explodes... ahh it looks awesome. i also use fusion cutters while on it if i want to hijack a tank. also a think that ping said about getting booted for winning. something like that happened to me before. i went to a space server and it was me vs the host and some other guy so 2 on 1 and then i was winning all the time. i didn't get shot down much at all and just kept destroying both of them everytime they tried to get to me. i got booted maybe 3 times for winning epically... then i went back onto the server in a different name and talked to the guy and then came back with my real name after talking it out. the only reason i did is just because we were friends (meh sorta... or not)

i think i got a bit off topic there but it works

1FGR1NightGhost · Post by **1FGR1NightGhost** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:09 pm

Twilight_Warrior wrote:
Ping wrote:BF2, while a good game, is unfortunately home to some of the brattiest people over its servers.
Maybe I've been away for a while, but compared to what? I mean sure, there are a handful of cases like these, but I've found the SWBF2 community to be one of the more mature ones I've played on. I mean, compared to COD or Halo where you have 12 year olds that cuss and swear into the microphone loudly just because they can, or Combat Arms where if ANYONE is doing well, they're reported to Nexon for hacking...
IMO, there are a lot worse communities out there.

Ive never played any of these other games (other than at a freinds house a few times) But i think (a majority) of people on BF2 are very offensive. I do see how they compose themselves though, cus pwning is supposed to be "chill". But i find people extremly rude and hateful when they dont have you cooped up in some metal hallway so all you can do is.. well.... get killed by them... Even more so when kick them (cus thats what they do to us) and they come back saying "Do you know who I am?...

sim-al2 · Post by **sim-al2** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:38 pm

1FGR1NightGhost wrote: (a majority) of people on BF2

Eh I think it's a bit too much to say a majority. Most of the time what I see is a few people (using different names) going around and griefing other players for the sake of griefing. Of course, it doesn't help when other people come in and feed the troll, which leads to ugly conversations fast, and depending on the admin random booting and other unprovoked behavior. I find small servers are usually better as trolls seem to generally join the bigger/more-known servers.

they come back saying "Do you know who I am?...

Well ignore them and boot them again!

They are certainly some people who believe themselves to be superior and boss others around, but it's a little extreme to come to another server and tell the host what to do...

Fiodis · Post by **Fiodis** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:37 pm

THEWULFMAN wrote:Now this isnt a cheat, but is not that honorable.

A bit of a late response, but I only just tripped across this thread today. Honorable is a bit of a strong word, imho. Perhaps if there'd been some agreement not to use tanks and you went back on your word, yeah, that might be cheating. But using a stock vehicle the way it's meant to be used?

The whole problem comes about when people disagree about unspoken, generally acknowledged agreements. Maybe there's one way to win that's easier than another, and so it becomes an unspoken rule not to use that way. But you always get people that are either new to the game or just don't see any reason why not, or possibly both, and they're labeled noobish or "dishonorable" which seems too much of a high-and-mighty, righteous word to apply to a game, anyway.

Personally I don't think it's the "noob's" fault at all, but the people that make labels like that. If they'd just make these unspoken, unwritten general agreements - "no tanking, no pulling, no det toss, etc." - actual, written rules, then it'd all work out better. Rather than being accused of cheating or "dishonorable" conduct after they'd done something, a noob/"cheater" would either conform to the official server rules or go somewhere else. WGO did this - they ran a "No-Pull" server, with No Pulling being an admin-enforced rule. That seems to me a lot more honorable than kicking a player for using a stock aspect of the game.

Ashley · Post by **Ashley** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:31 pm

Hmmm. Do u guys think macros r cheats?
Some guy was killing every1.
he got 255 kills and every1 had 30 or somthing, he used an aayla.

Dakota · Post by **Dakota** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:46 pm

Ashley wrote:macros

what?

anyway aayla is an easy character to one hit kill with but is beatable, even though aayla's dash attack blocks and one hit kills if you attack from certain angles or have some time you may win but probably not if you just keep getting killed before the camera even gets to you character...

1FGR1NightGhost · Post by **1FGR1NightGhost** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:13 pm

aayla

easy solution = chew bowcaster to the back of the head

Dakota · Post by **Dakota** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:37 am

1FGR1NightGhost wrote:aayla

easy solution = chew bowcaster to the back of the head

you forget that most of the players who know how to use aayla know how to block. and the dash attack block helps too...

EDIT: another solution would be to block for awhile then attack or if you can use force then you can saber throw and that will work well.

kinetosimpetus · Post by **kinetosimpetus** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:28 am

1FGR1NightGhost wrote:aayla

easy solution = chew bowcaster to the back of the head

Post by **Teancum** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:37 pm

Ashley wrote:Hmmm. Do u guys think macros r cheats?
Some guy was killing every1.
he got 255 kills and every1 had 30 or somthing, he used an aayla.

It's absolutely cheating. It modifies the game for an unfair advantage.

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