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Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:03 am**

Nova Hawk wrote:
EraOfDesann wrote:Krell is a fascinating character so I hope that he survives.
How's he fascinating? He's shown a clear dislike for the clones. He refers to call them by the number and not their name. He wants to have Fives and that other guy executed.

He's fascinating because everything about him is radically different from any other Jedi or hero that we've seen. It's compelling to watch characters who walk the line between good and evil, especially on a show in which the heroes and villains are often oversimplified. It makes the show less black and white.

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:11 am**

EraOfDesann wrote:
Nova Hawk wrote:
EraOfDesann wrote:Krell is a fascinating character so I hope that he survives.
How's he fascinating? He's shown a clear dislike for the clones. He refers to call them by the number and not their name. He wants to have Fives and that other guy executed.
He's fascinating because everything about him is radically different from any other Jedi or hero that we've seen. It's compelling to watch characters who walk the line between good and evil, especially on a show in which the heroes and villains are often oversimplified. It makes the show less black and white.

Um, have we forgotten about Anakin? He's walked the line quite a few times in the series. But I understand, seeing other characters other than main ones is intriguing, I guess.

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:48 am**

EraOfDesann wrote:He's fascinating because everything about him is radically different from any other Jedi or hero that we've seen. It's compelling to watch characters who walk the line between good and evil, especially on a show in which the heroes and villains are often oversimplified. It makes the show less black and white.

That's true, but by the same token you can't just paint stripes on a horse and tell me it's a zebra. "Jedi" as a role has been established as having certain attributes - Jedi are either compassionate and caring (albeit often aloof), or they're flirting with the Dark Side, in which case they are usually too passionate and caring. Jedi always, no matter how highfalutin', have a respect for life. If Krell is going to stick around - something I'm fine with, by the way, because he does generate an interesting story - then you're going to have to tell me that he's simply a bad guy playing good guy. Right now I'm being told that he's something that the universe (even in the context of the show) has established as something different - he's wearing Jedi clothes, but that's all. He's surrounded by an interesting story, but he's not a good character right now, because he breaks rules in-universe.

Posted: **Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:29 am**

Maveritchell wrote:That's true, but by the same token you can't just paint stripes on a horse and tell me it's a zebra. "Jedi" as a role has been established as having certain attributes - Jedi are either compassionate and caring (albeit often aloof), or they're flirting with the Dark Side, in which case they are usually too passionate and caring. Jedi always, no matter how highfalutin', have a respect for life. If Krell is going to stick around - something I'm fine with, by the way, because he does generate an interesting story - then you're going to have to tell me that he's simply a bad guy playing good guy. Right now I'm being told that he's something that the universe (even in the context of the show) has established as something different - he's wearing Jedi clothes, but that's all. He's surrounded by an interesting story, but he's not a good character right now, because he breaks rules in-universe.

I concur. :plokoon:

You can be a Jedi if you use the Dark Side, but stay in control. Kyle Katarn used many "dark" powers, but at the end of the day he's still a good person.

Pong on the other hand, may not be using the Dark side, he's certainly not a true Jedi either. Most of the Jedi actually care when they see the clones being killed, and it even made Yoda begin to question the methods of using clones to fight the war.

Posted: **Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:40 pm**

Just saw the show; thought it was pretty good.

Posted: **Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:43 pm**

This is what I think about tonight's episode:

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I was really into this Umbara series of episodes and was impressed with the story and battle sequences!

Posted: **Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:59 pm**

Oh man. I just loved this episode. It had the right portions of epic and scary.

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Pong Krell was also awesome; it was amazing seeing him go up against the clones while wielding two double bladed lightsabers. And then there was his laugh...

I wonder what the next episode will be about though, as they didn't show a short trailer.

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:23 am**

Thanks for spoiling it for me.

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:29 am**

Nova Hawk wrote:Thanks for spoiling it for me.

Dear Nova Hawk,
Generally, if you haven't seen the latest episode of a TV show, you want to avoid any and all places on the internet that have said TV show as a topic. Regardless of if we have spoiler tags, something might slip.

For example, my girlfriend does not access her Tumblr (which is really, really hard for her to do) every Tuesday night, because Glee airs two hour earlier on the East coast than it does on the West coast, and everyone posts spoilers.

Moral of the story: the TCW topic is not a good thread to read if you have not seen the latest episode of TCW and don't want anything spoiled.

Really, it's your own fault.

Now then,

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I was particularly pleased with the Palpatine parallels (alliteration ftw)

"It's... treason... then."

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:54 am**

Twilight_Warrior wrote:
Nova Hawk wrote:Thanks for spoiling it for me.
Dear Nova Hawk,
Generally, if you haven't seen the latest episode of a TV show, you want to avoid any and all places on the internet that have said TV show as a topic. Regardless of if we have spoiler tags, something might slip.

For example, my girlfriend does not access her Tumblr (which is really, really hard for her to do) every Tuesday night, because Glee airs two hour earlier on the East coast than it does on the West coast, and everyone posts spoilers.

Moral of the story: the TCW topic is not a good thread to read if you have not seen the latest episode of TCW and don't want anything spoiled.

Really, it's your own fault.

Now then,
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I was particularly pleased with the Palpatine parallels (alliteration ftw)
"It's... treason... then."

Yeah, I put it in spoiler tags on purpose.

ON-TOPIC: Twilight_Warrior, I noticed that reference too, and it kinda reminded me of the scene in the last Harry Potter book, where the professors confront Snape, who does a bunch of magic (force tricks for Krell) and jumps out of a window.

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:12 am**

ShadowWing wrote: Yeah, I put it in spoiler tags on purpose.

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You missed this part:

Pong Krell was also awesome; it was amazing seeing him go up against the clones while wielding two double bladed lightsabers.[/quote]

Anywho

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Except, Krell wasn't overpowered like Snape was, Krell was winning.  To me, Krell jumping out the window was more "Protagonism" to keep Rex, Fives, and Jesse alive.

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:46 am**

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Not sure how I feel about that.

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:12 am**

EraOfDesann wrote:
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Okay, so Krell was just evil.
Not sure how I feel about that.

If it quacks like a duck - like I said above, it fits within the narrative. I'm glad that this was resolved as it was.

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:28 pm**

All I can say to this last episode in the arc is: wow!

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Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:39 pm**

Maveritchell wrote:
EraOfDesann wrote:
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Okay, so Krell was just evil.
Not sure how I feel about that.
If it quacks like a duck - like I said above, it fits within the narrative. I'm glad that this was resolved as it was.

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Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:23 pm**

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As far as the executions scene goes, I actually wish the clones had died. I wouldn't have enjoyed it at the time, but it might have led to some interesting character development. It lets the reader know that sometimes bad things happen, and we can't stop them like the Empire Strikes Back

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:05 pm**

kinetosimpetus wrote:
Maveritchell wrote:
EraOfDesann wrote:
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Okay, so Krell was just evil.
Not sure how I feel about that.
If it quacks like a duck - like I said above, it fits within the narrative. I'm glad that this was resolved as it was.
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Agreed
I expected the execution to not happen, and Krell and clones to fight. 501st vs. 212th was completely unexpected, but when it started I knew something was up.
RIP Waxer

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I excepted Krell to somehow use Rex's blaster to his own advantage during the execution scene at the end (use the blaster to break the cuffs), and then to go on another rampage, and then be defeated like Grievous in "Shadow Warrior".

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:32 pm**

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I was referring to the execution of Fives and Jesse, I expected it to not happen since the previous episode. The execution of Krell I did expect.

I wish we got a scene with the Jedi (Anakin, Obi Wan, Yoda, etc.) reaction to what happened. I think that's an important scene. What happens next? There's a bunch of clones dead, they killed their General. It can't be that everything instantly returns to normal for them.

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:49 pm**

kinetosimpetus wrote:
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I was referring to the execution of Fives and Jesse, I expected it to not happen since the previous episode. The execution of Krell I did expect.

I wish we got a scene with the Jedi (Anakin, Obi Wan, Yoda, etc.) reaction to what happened. I think that's an important scene. What happens next? There's a bunch of clones dead, they killed their traitorous General. It can't be that everything instantly returns to normal for them.

Fixed.

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About the execution of Fives and Jesse, I also expected it to not happen. I knew that they would be saved at the last minutes, and also that when the executors shot, they would miss on purpose.

Posted: **Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:16 pm**

kinetosimpetus wrote:
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I was referring to the execution of Fives and Jesse, I expected it to not happen since the previous episode. The execution of Krell I did expect.

I wish we got a scene with the Jedi (Anakin, Obi Wan, Yoda, etc.) reaction to what happened. I think that's an important scene. What happens next? There's a bunch of clones dead, they killed their General. It can't be that everything instantly returns to normal for them.

I agree completely. Not showing the Jedi's response to such an incredible development is a missed opportunity. I'm also curious as to what Palpatine's motivation was for having Anakin and Krell switch places. He must have known what Krell was up to, so did he want him to succeed or fail?

Does anyone else miss the episode commentaries that they used to post on SW.com? I'd really like to hear what Dave Faloni has to say in regards to the Umbara arc since this is probably their most ambitious arc outside of the Mortis trilogy.

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