Question about making unit (cloth, sv, lowrez) [Solved]

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Question about making unit (cloth, sv, lowrez) [Solved]

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Hello, I have some questions about making unit.

[1]
This statement is from art_guide:
3. Make the shadowvolume mesh a child of the actual mesh to which it is related.
If I make unit's shadowvolume, I should put it under the polymesh of the unit, right?
But in this tutorial, shadowvolume is under DummyRoot
https://sites.google.com/site/swbf2modt ... tup-in-xsi
Where should I put shadowvolume? (I know the lowrez is under DummyRoot.)

[2]
I'm going to make unit's cloth. When you make cloth, you make collisions at unit's body, but not at the cloth, right?
This is tutorial of cloth
http://www.gametoast.com/viewtopic.php?p=210303#p210303
What is "at rest" position ? Also, I couldn't understand this point:
Additional Cloth Setup Notes:
Mike Zaimont (aka PAN-Fnord from Pandemic) claimed wrap around cloth geometry(sleeves, skirts, etc) would split ingame, but FragMe! has since discovered this is due to the arrangement of the UVs on the texture, here's an excerpt from the source post:

FragMe! wrote:
I also found out that when you are UVing the cloth anywhere the polies are not connected to another poly it creates a split in the cloth in game. Once again on the cone cloth, it is mean to be a total wrap around no breaks but if I just UV it so it is flat with the center front of the cloth at either edge of the TGA it splits in game but if I select those edges and do a "heal" so they join the split goes away.

Is there something special to make skirts? I'm going to make Ahsoka's skirt.

[3]
And how should I make lowrez and shadowvolume with cloth?
This is the process of my idea to make shadowvolume and lowrez with cloth.

1, envelop and make collision at her whole body 2, envelop each cloth respectively and use pandemic tool for cloth(skirt, belt, hood, robe, beads, etc...)
3, duplicate the unit two times(with cloth?) for lowrez and sv ( so it means, both lowrez and sv have bones)

Should I merge cloth and Ahsoka's polymesh to one polymesh when making sv & lowrez? I don't know how to do about cloth when making sv(and lowrez)
Or should I seperate them and make cloth's shadowvolume?

4, make sv by deleting unneccesary points or edges ( and go to Model > Get > Material > Unassign Material ?)
5, hide sv and put it under the DummyRoot with Ahsoka's polymesh and cloths(or under Ahsoka's polymesh?)
6, middle click on DummyRoot and export Ahsoka's polymesh, cloths, shadowvolume

next is making lowrez
7, delete unneccesay points or edges of Ahsoka's polymesh
8, also make low poly of cloths 9, make their shadowvolume by duplicate lowrez of polymesh and cloth (and go to Unassain Material ?)
10 put lowrez of polymesh and cloth (and their shadowvolume) under the root and export (before it, delete original polymesh)
So, lowrez will be same process with original one except deleting points and edges.

how is this? I think something wrong...

[4]
I'm going to use tentacles at hear head.
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Right, left side and back. I will use 3 -4 nulls at each tentacles. (so null's total is 9-12)
This is tentacles tutorial, but tutorial link (HERE) doesn't working. I want you to repair if you can:
http://www.gametoast.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=12350
And I'm going to make collision around them. Is it better to make collision at each nulls of tentacles and put them at each children in explorer window? Or make one collision and put it children of highest null of the tentacle? (I thought first one is better.)
When I want to use a hood on her head, it requires collisions at her head, right (not at hood)? Also, I will use her beads as a cloth(you can see them above her head), do I need collision at beads? I thought, if I want to use a hood, hood and beads might collide with each other. Or should I treat beads as tentacles?

Some questions might be difficult to understand, so please tell me if you need different explanations. I don't know what should do about cloth when making shadowvolume and lowrez.
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Re: Question about making unit (cloth, sv, lowrez)

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anaobi wrote:[1] Where should I put shadowvolume? (I know the lowrez is under DummyRoot.)
Child of dummyroot is fine.
anaobi wrote:[2] When you make cloth, you make collisions at unit's body, but not at the cloth, right?
Correct
anaobi wrote:What is "at rest" position ?
standing idle
anaobi wrote:Also, I couldn't understand this point:
...
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It just means UV splits cause the cloth to split ingame


anaobi wrote:[3] And how should I make lowrez and shadowvolume with cloth?
It'll just be geometry, not really cloth since it is all one object. Shadowvolume geometry doesn't need materials or UVs but lowrez geometry does.
anaobi wrote:[4] This is tentacles tutorial, but tutorial link (HERE) doesn't working. I want you to repair if you can:
http://www.gametoast.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=12350
I'll look and see if I still have it but you don't really need it because the same information is posted throughout that thread. Tentacle collision is usually defined in the ODF as TentacleCollType and generated at runtime.

Some of the things you want to do will require some trial and error on your part. All the information is here, you just need to apply it to your needs. When in doubt, don't hesitate to import a shipped example into XSI using ZETools for further examination.
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Re: Question about making unit (cloth, sv, lowrez)

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Ok, thank you. I wondered I should merge cloth and unit to one geometry when making sv and lowrez. I had only used XSI, so I'll try ZETools and check them.
It is really long way to make one unit until I understand fully! I will keep trying little by little,
thank you for reply.
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