Dakota wrote:wonders why not many people change up the weapons of a driodeka from blaster and shield into two other weapons, like rocket launcher and heavy blaster, and maybe make the unit have an auto shield on and possibly be 3 times the size, and if someone wanted it to be pretty, there is probably someway to play an effect on something when it has a shield on, aka bubble shield
My Ultra Droideka in my TCW mod has a rocket launcher instead of a shield. It is 1.5x the size if I remember correctly. Anything past 2x would have horrible collision.
THEWULFMAN wrote:
Engineers? Yes, very, as I said before. Snipers however are not overpowered. They have less health than almost all the units, and they are horrid vs tanks.
I forgot they have less health, but I still think their weapon is too strong. It kills in 1-2 hits, has no spread, and almost instantly hits the target. The troopers rifle kills in about 4-8 hits, has spread, and the projectiles are too slow.
Marvel4 wrote:I forgot they have less health, but I still think their weapon is too strong. It kills in 1-2 hits, has no spread, and almost instantly hits the target. The troopers rifle kills in about 4-8 hits, has spread, and the projectiles are too slow.
It should kill in one...but that's just my opinion.
For multiplayer, I choose the Engineer over the other units. The ability to give out health/ammo, be immune to mines, combined with the detpack and shotgun, make him a great unit imho.
Last edited by Cerfon Rournes on Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Dakota wrote:wonders why not many people change up the weapons of a driodeka from blaster and shield into two other weapons, like rocket launcher and heavy blaster, and maybe make the unit have an auto shield on and possibly be 3 times the size, and if someone wanted it to be pretty, there is probably someway to play an effect on something when it has a shield on, aka bubble shield
My Ultra Droideka in my TCW mod has a rocket launcher instead of a shield. It is 1.5x the size if I remember correctly. Anything past 2x would have horrible collision.
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i would like to see the expression on that clone's face...
Cerfon Rournes wrote:For multiplayer, I choose the Engineer over the other units. The ability to give out health/ammo, be immune to mines, combined with the detpack and shotgun, make him it a great unit imho.
Too great.
The Engineer is the cop out, all those abilities make it into the easiest unit to use. I'm sorry, but that's just what I think. I don't mind the engineer all that much if Friendly Fire is on, bit if FF is off then the detpacks become the be all and end all of weapons. Jedi Battle Arena, the server I use the most, has FF off and it drives me nuts. The Rocketeer also becomes way too powererful with Friendly Fire off, the mines and rocket launcher make you almost invincible. Just today I had to fight a guy who used nothing but the Rocketeer, and he ended up getting 60+ kills per match because he abuses mines. Playing Coruscant CTF he was abusing the mines again, so I ended up switching to the engineer to teach him a lesson. Hated doing it, I want to play as the trooper, always. Tantive IV becomes almost unplayable for troopers most of the time, the engineers kills the fun.
For multiplayer, I choose the Engineer over the other units. The ability to give out health/ammo, be immune to mines, combined with the detpack and shotgun, make him it a great unit imho.
For multiplayer, I choose the Engineer over the other units. The ability to give out health/ammo, be immune to mines, combined with the detpack and shotgun, make him it a great unit imho.
I'm sorry, but that's just what I think.
Fair enough.
Marvel4 wrote:
THEWULFMAN wrote:
Engineers? Yes, very, as I said before. Snipers however are not overpowered. They have less health than almost all the units, and they are horrid vs tanks.
I forgot they have less health, but I still think their weapon is too strong. It kills in 1-2 hits, has no spread, and almost instantly hits the target. The troopers rifle kills in about 4-8 hits, has spread, and the projectiles are too slow.
That's how snipers work. Be lucky this game doesn't have 1 shot 1 kill sniper rifles(yes I know headshots do that, but I mean hitting anywhere on the body). In my BF3 mod though, I set the sniper rifle to be less effective at close range, have a longer range, and you can charge it to increase the power.
the fact is that most units a pretty close in strength.
sniper has low health and a slower firing gun than the rifle, trooper has rapid fire and the spread on that actually helps you hit more targets for suppressive fire, the rocketeer has higher health and may have a gun that is slow to fire but his mines are great vs tanks and his rockets one hit kill and have splash damage. the engineer has a shotgun that is powerful at close range, but it has bad spread and is very hard to hit someone at medium range and impossible to hit at long range, sometimes i fire twice and only one of the shots out of the 8 or so that fire at a time actually hit, the dets work well for close range targets and turrets, and the health and ammo help alot, also the fusion cutter will help very much against tanks and also for helping tanks or repairing ammo/health driods. the engineer's downfall is that he can only kill you from close range and is just about useless for attacking at other ranges, all other units can kill him with a pistol just as long as they keep backing up while he tries to catch up to you. it works quite well against them.
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in a mod that i made i kinda made all of the units a bit more overpowered in their advantages and not much in their disadvantages, this caused the game to be a bit funnier and the units to be a bit more close together in power, i made the sniper rifle 1 hit kill with push but made the blaster rifle 2 hit kill (pistol 3 hit kill), gave the shotgun a push and doubled its damage, made all explosives have a bigger push/damage radius and gave them "pushdeadonly = 0" and made all weapons a bit more powerful. i know wulf had a bad experience with it but still, i must ask was their at least something that he liked in it. most people love at least one thing in the mod and dislike another part, like they may like that the shotgun has push on it but dislike that the blaster rifle two hit kills [usually because the blaster is what was used against them but still valid...]the buffs in the mod i made were extremely powered up, defense buff making you nearly invincible for a minute, rage buff letting you be able to beat a tank with a pistol for a minute, and regan making you instant regan for a minute. they work quite well and it adds a new stratigy to the game, teamwork. [notices hes getting a bit offtopic with his talk of the mod's extras and then decides to just say again in a rephased way how much more equal it makes his units] Ok, the rocketeer has massive splash because people can easily dodge rockets (this also hurts the rocketeer for close range though because the splash can kill him too), the trooper has more damage because in the movies usually one or two hits kills with a blaster, sniper has more damage on his sniper rifle because 2 hits for a high powered sniper rifle to kill regular units and 3 for strong ones seems a bit weird, engineer has push on his shotgun to counter the rapid fire of the trooper so that he can now stop his fire or help his team with some form of suppressive fire, special units all improved in their own special way, but this is for regular units not specs. for any questions a PM would work better than posting it here.
(gets ninja'd by both cerfon and wulf)
i must say that i also always keep TK on so that det rushing or mine rushing kills the unit who does it so what wulf mentioned doesn't happen, it makes the server alot nicer it seems, if i didn't have tk on though then the push from the weapons would probably hinder the person det/mine rushing though since i added push dead only in my mod.
I have to agree with Wulf on this one. Yes, the engineer is a "great unit," because he's TOO great. If Friendly Fire is off, the Rocketeers and Engineers become waaaaay too over-powered. Particularly engineers with their immunity to mines and abillity to heal themselves wherever, whenever. It might be a little better if FF worked like other games where suicide is ALWAYS possible, but if FF is off then you just can't damage your teammates. Since that's not the case, though...
On the other end of the spectrum, though, the troopers are underpowered, because like Marvel said, their shots are too slow and it takes too many of them to kill a unit.
And so, my favorite unit is the sniper. In my opinion, it is the most balanced. Sure, it's weapon is a little strong, but factor in less health and even fewer secondary weapons than the other classes, and I believe it balances out quite nicely. Can kill easily, but can also BE killed easily if you're not careful.
i must say one thing about the troopers, as i have used them before. i was on the death star and everyone else was either sniper or engineer and i basically beat the whole enemy team single handedly (multiplayer mode). the trooper has the most ammo (ok i know you are saying, no sometimes its the shotgun, but that gun uses like 8-9 per shot...). the trooper has the most ammo per clip and most ammo in general, the fastest firing gun, and more grenades than other units. i just think that that is what balances out the trooper against other units, if you use them in certain ways they beat everyone.
TIP: drop a grenade infront of you if an engineer is coming, roll away (or not if tk is off) and then if the engineer doesn't roll he dies, and if he does then you shoot at him and finish him off really fast.
second story of me using the trooper was when it was a 1 vs 8 server all vs me and i had the trooper and was hosting and the score was 200+ to 0, yes i won that game very very much, got all awards and it was pretty fun. thats why a see the trooper as not an under powered unit.
Yes, yes, you're very good at the game. On a completely unrelated note, I won a Super Smash Bros. Brawl tournament using Ganondorf, who is considered so underpowered, he gets his own tier underneath all the rest of the characters. http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/ ... _tier_list
Point being, just because you are good with a unit does not mean that unit is not underpowered. If we imagine that every single person had the exact same skill and amount of experience with every single unit, then I think the cons of the trooper outweigh his pros in comparison to the other units.
i was good at the game but the others were too and there were about 8
the point is though that if we brought in skill level with the units then all possiblity of the unit being good or bad wouldn't really be provable, and since we can't play as a unit without using our current level of skill, its kinda impossible to tell which is the best and worst as a fact or not, which is why this topic is a topic about opinions.
we could also bring range into the pros/cons and if we did then engineer would be weakest because he can't hit people across the map or on the far end of a hall like snipers and troopers and even rocketeers sometimes. we also already brought in if Team kill is off or on. its reminding me of the boss vs master chief thread.
it is true though that how good a unit is depends entirely on how you use it and how good you are at the game, at aimming, and at planning tactics to use instead of just going rambo right into the enemy base.
for example, on a dead game that i play "MechWarrior 4" i was using a very weak mech who was fast but had very little attack, while my brother had a mech that was slow and could one hit kill me. i simply used tactics instead of running forward, i ran in circles around him firing a machine gun at him for about 10 minutes then he blew up and wondered how i destroyed him with such a weak unit. he just stood in the middle of the field.
i noticed we have gotten a bit offtopic with saying why our units that we like are either underpowered, overpowered, or just balanced. so instead lets just go back on topic and explain why we like the unit we like. (not trying to mini mod here but i feel as though i started the thing about which unit is over/under/equally powered so i just want to bring it back before it runs off)
Last edited by Dakota on Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Dakota wrote:
i noticed we have gotten a bit offtopic with saying why our units that we like are either underpowered, overpowered, or just balanced. so instead lets just go back on topic and explain why we like the unit we like. (not trying to mini mod here but i feel as though i started the think about which unit is over/under/equally powered so i just want to bring it back before it runs off)
Agreed.
I also like the Sniper class, because of long-range weapon factor. Also, the deployable auto turrent, along with the nades and pistol, adds to the unit nicely. And although he has low health, he makes up for it in speed.
THEWULFMAN wrote:
That's how snipers work. Be lucky this game doesn't have 1 shot 1 kill sniper rifles(yes I know headshots do that, but I mean hitting anywhere on the body). In my BF3 mod though, I set the sniper rifle to be less effective at close range, have a longer range, and you can charge it to increase the power.
You're right, but the problem in Battlefront is that the trooper is too weak compared to the sniper. In other games, the rifles have a much higher rate of fire and do more damage.
My favorite is the standard infantry unit. He's versatile, powerful, and if used correctly, can kill almost any other unit.
Heavies are also equally good, especially on wide open maps with vehicles. Teaming up with a heavy as a reg. troop can be very efficient.
Snipers are cool. They're faster and a little weaker than the infantry, and although the rifle can pack a punch you need to know what you're doing if you want to have it close range. It's best if the sniper is used properly.
I hate engineers. Firstly, they have a one-shot kill gun, and a detpack that can be thrown in the air and kill everyone in a large radius. Hurt? Out of ammo? No problem, just use the health pack on yourself. Most engineers tend to do the exact opposite of what they were intended for anyway (Support unit)
I like all the special troops. But the dark trooper seems a little easy to kill, and the spy is practically unusable without the energy regen award.
