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Tuskenjedi, I know Xwing has been on this for a long time, and what I (or everyone) is doing is just giving ideas. I know that xwing may use or not what we suggested, but we shall wait till the release of the map to find out (btw, can't wait for release) if our ideas were used or not... so, xwing, you have all my support, and keep on with the good work, don't rush to release this exelent map, please take your time.
One last question, cause I can't remember if this has been posted before: Is there going to be a B-Wing?

Hopefully but i think who ever was making it gave up
I still wanna know what the rebel shuttle will be

Xwingguy needs less stress because it is a huge project and will take a while. New big ideas that havent/have been said might not be helpful and may add stress. When he releases the first beta, we can tell him ideas.

U can give him ideas on something he said or screenshoted (not a real word) and posted it. For example, the thing about the about the colors and the critical point being destroyed idea that was recent.

hehe, I suggestd about the colors stuff

OffTopic: Wayland, in the XSI forum, minilogoguy18 made a WIP about a B-Wing, and I think he's still on that, and It's a great model, you should take a look

WaylandJr wrote:hmm most of that just sounds like something people will exploit:

-bothan spy being able to fire with cloak = kinda bad unless you give the bothan a rifle/pistol instead of an incinerator, otherwise he would be very over powered

- mon calmarian = nice idea but we had nothing to use as it.

- rebel commando = too overpowered it would be very annoying to have one of those ripping your capital ship to shreads

- why not just use the wookie weapons on the fleet rebel obviosly no bowcaster because as there are barely any wookies left i doubt the rebels would have a whole navy of them

- shock trooper with rockets = loads of team killing ect very over effective at boarding could take out anything in your paths

I think it would be better to just have mainly blastery type weapons for infantry otherwise it would be annoyingly difficult to get anywhere and people will just destory critical systems in half a second with magna gaurd rockets ect

Okay, first the Bothan spy couldn't use the incerinerator while being invisible, since both Invisbility and the Incinerator are classified as primary weapons. However, a Bothan spy COULD drop a time bomb or deploy their recon droid while remaining invisible.

As for the Rebel Commando (and Dark Trooper) they're both supposed to be stronger than ordinary units, but they would require lots of points (and if possible a minimum kill/death ratio) to access, and there would be a limit of say 2 each per match.

As for the Shock Trooper, I suppose that their rockets would probably be too hostile to boarding parties, but that could be countered by making the shock trooper a slow-moving unit... maybe

oh hes still doing the Bwing is he i thought he gave up? who was doing the SSD was it oom 9?

"hehe, I suggestd about the colors stuff" lol how ironic.. but i do see how all these ideas may be difficult my latest one was mainly aimed at forum readers not xwingguy just as an example of what i meant by "blastery type weapons".

This isnt your project (unless u r helping) WaylandJr.

Anyway, r u talking about the proton beam under the ISD?

Heh i didnt think before posting that link... What is a proton beam?

hey xwingguy, Moving_Target recently figured out a way to make the frigates flyable
(you probably know cuz you helped him with it )
anyways are you in any way planning on incorporating this into your map?
If you do this you could make a dynamic map that changes every time you play

You can make it so the commander unit (captain ect... top ranking unit) has an entry point into the Frigates from the main bridge of any cap ship, similar to the way the turrets work, cept instead of controlling a turret you control a vehicle
then the commander can pilot the ship into a strategic position making it harder for fighters and other such planes to pass by

cuz say you have 2 of your cap ships destroyed: wats the use of having those frigates that orbited them floating out in the middle of nowhere?
If you only have one cap ship left why not concentrate your defenses around your last ship?

making the frigates flyable would add a whole new level of gameplay to the level, its already been proven to be possible and if anyone can do it its you xwingguy

Now that is one great idea. I like that idea yoyam, hope xwing thinks about that

The Proton Beam is on ISDs and Republic SDs. They r in EAW and r seen in Ep3 Battle Over Coruscant when the RSD destroys a banking clan ship withan orange beam called the proton beam (at least called that in EAW).

haha thnx Tusken, if youve ever played unreal tournament its kinda like the same idea
the map stays the same but changes internally every time you play

it goes a long way to making it so the map doesnt get old

Nice idea yoyam but why would anyone want to fly a rebel transport? why did they even take those to endor? they are completely unarmed! It would be good to fly a correlian corvette though you could have the turbolasers like a turret when you left click it fires the top one right click it fires the bottom one. people are going to say its a bad idea because of kamikazing but a hefty points loss for doing so would fix that, oh and i wouldnt let the AI fly them that would be a disaster!

By the way what is unreal tornament? ive heard of it but never played it... wasnt it unreal tornament that had a 9.11 mod?

the rebel trans ports are rebel transports, and thats why they took them to endor. They transport rebels. If this sounds harsh, sorry, but cmon man, its says it the name.

...flyable frigates, complicated. maybe.

But I made another discovery. I've found a remote turret control spefically for IMPs



and one specifically for ALL



Now the imp one looks pretty cheap, but the all one looks like it has potential to me. It almost looks like one of those race car games you find in the arcade.

Now the imp one looks pretty cheap, but the all one looks like it has potential to me. It almost looks like one of those race car games you find in the arcade.

LOL it does look like 1 doesnt it

Some suggestions to the turret controllers
It looks some kind of strange how the remote turret controls clip through the desk, the interface block's textures are horrible and it's "spoiling" the beautiful screens behind it - my suggestion:
Try to "cut off" the interface block and place only the useable chairs against a wall.
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This is a control : L_O (the "L" is the chair, the "O" the interface block ) , so you could L I O ( ths "I" is a wall - and you could put an interface texture or similar stuff on that wall)

xwingguy wrote:...flyable frigates, complicated. maybe.

Flyable Frigates:
complicated: yes (this is an immense undertaking no one can even try to predend this is an easy task)
but worth it?: i think so

as its already been proven to be possible to do, i think the main problem that presents itself with pilotable frigates is how to balance them (ie how much firepower they have aboard and how to stop kamakazie missions)

how far you want to take this idea is totally up to you xwingguy but i think it would be an excellent addition to the level

it would probably be the main thing i look forward to when i get enough points to be a commanding officer
cuz wats the point of getting all those points to gain a rank if all you get is a better pistol?
what i want when i become a commanding officer is something special, i dont want to be a juggernaut, i want to have some authority like a C.O. (or in the case of BF2 something special that not everyone else can do like being able to pilot frigates )

like i said i dont want to pressure you into doing something you dont want to do, after all it is YOUR map, just give it some though before you write it off, almost all of the comments about this idea have been positive so theres no lack of support if you do want to

PS: with its revolutionary map design and possibly the addition of pilotable frigates i think Battle Above Endor will merit a new type of gamemode for us to call it by im thinking up names right now

GL and godspeed man

See the complicated thing about the pilotable frigate is that, yes I can animate them before they are controlled BUT once they have been controlled one time the animation stops (except for the player's actions). Once the player gets bored and moves on, I can't ever get the dang thing back on the track. It's stuck, dead. Another problem is what happens when a player moves a frigate where other frigate is coded to travel through.

Or wait...oh...this'll work. separate my cycling animated frigates from the pilotable ones. Hey maybe I could even get 'em to spawn on command so they...well you get the picture. (Why is it that I have a burning desire to put myself through scripting hell?)

xwingguy wrote:Or wait...oh...this'll work. separate my cycling animated frigates from the pilotable ones. Hey maybe I could even get 'em to spawn on command so they...well you get the picture. (Why is it that I have a burning desire to put myself through scripting hell?)

dude totally awesome of you,
it'll be worth it, i know it
if you can get this to work you will go down in history as one of the (if not THE) greatest modder ever

if you have any problems just ask the community, theres no shortage of people willing to help you

PS- thanx for listening to my idea, it feels totally awesome to actually have it as a part of the map

PSS- haha totally random but i thought up some new possible names for the gameplay mode on Battle Above Endor:
1) blitz offensive
2) storm raid
3) massive retaliation
this map is too great for it to just be called an assault map, i think the third sounds the coolest myself