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ok i have been working on a map for 2 days and there are custom sides. the sides work when i tested them on another map so i know it has to be either the tanks or the map

heres the error log

heres the munge log

The game tries to load core and shells from different locations (DET, HB2 & BDT), maybe your addme or a lua is screwed up, but I don't think that vehicles cause this.
Anyways, did you try a manual clean?

Bob wrote:The game tries to load core and shells from different locations (DET, HB2 & BDT), maybe your addme or a lua is screwed up, but I don't think that vehicles cause this.
Anyways, did you try a manual clean?

i don't have any shells but i'll try a manual clean.

edit: manual clean didn't help.

edit2: oh no, all of thread i have seen so far in search that had a problem with no severity 3 errors have not been solved, people stopped responding and the thread died

I think these are 3's: Or at least they say they are.

those don't cause crashes, they are just FPM, i've had them since my first munge and they are still there and never cause problems, and tend to be on all of my maps.

When in doubt...
I'd recommend starting to comment things out in the LUA and trying over and over until it works.

Teancum wrote:When in doubt...

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[quote="Teancum"]Teancum's Tips

-When you're stuck on a crash, work backwards. For example: You have a custom side. It worked the last go-round when testing, but you added another unit and now it crashes. Well, logic would say to remove that unit from the LUA so it's not loaded, then test. If it works without that unit, then you know where the problem is.

I'd recommend starting to comment things out in the LUA and trying over and over until it works. [/quote]

how would changing the LUA up fix a map problem?

Dakota wrote:how would changing the LUA up fix a map problem?

Well, something might be wrong with it if you did something while scripting, something might be wrong with custom sides if you have them, etc. Basically whatever you changed/added.

once again, the problem isn't the sides, they have been tested already and the LUA seems fine to me, maybe you guys can find a problem in it.

(conquest mode, lets not go into CTF for now)

Dakota wrote:

Teancum wrote:When in doubt...

Hidden/Spoiler:

[quote="Teancum"]Teancum's Tips

-When you're stuck on a crash, work backwards. For example: You have a custom side. It worked the last go-round when testing, but you added another unit and now it crashes. Well, logic would say to remove that unit from the LUA so it's not loaded, then test. If it works without that unit, then you know where the problem is.

I'd recommend starting to comment things out in the LUA and trying over and over until it works.

how would changing the LUA up fix a map problem?[/quote]

Because you can't rule something out until you've tried it. It's not like I haven't been modding this game for six plus years or anything. And the easiest thing to rule out is custom sides. Experience has taught me that just because they work on one map doesn't mean they'll work on another. You may have more resource-intensive map objects that don't leave room for both sides and the map, or a hundred other things.

You need to try the easy process of elimination first. But if you want to do it your way that's fine too, you'll just have a much tougher time.

i'll give a map discription.

its a vally, the map is a rectangle (yes to a multible of 2, i checked) and it has a river in the middle and its connected by bridges. each side has 3 bunkers with cps in them and there are trees for cover (about 50 trees i'm guessing), i have some of those rock wall things from mygeeto (the ones with the hole in them for firing, called a tbuster in the odf), i have 3 bridges, one main one and two small ones on the sides. the main one is the mygeeto main bridge (the one with the holes and crators in it), and the small ones are the kasyyyk walk ways stuck together. there are crates from hoth on the small bridges and on the main bridge there are more of the rock walls. there are two bunker types. one utapua "lizardpen" bunker on each side and 2 hoth bunkers (with caves attached) on each side, one of the hoth bunkers on each side have a tunnel exit point, too. i have 3 turret types, the roof turrets for the lizardpen main bunkers, laser turrest for the hoth bunkers, and beam turrets on the main lizard pen bunkers and near some of the trees and other stratigically placed locations. i have textures from yavin, endor, and kasyyyk. i haven't changed the sky yet (haven't thought of which one is the best to pick yet) and there are no dome objects or effects, like rain, fog, snow, the sun, flying ships...yet. the map has alot of hint nodes (about 60 i think, for snipe, cover, and mine locations) and i also have some planning for the units, so that they use the bridges or if they can hover they will also go over the water. i have barriers at the sides of the bridges and at coast lines so that walkers don't try to take a swim. i also have a barrier on the top of the map so that bots don't try to fly over the mountains around the edge of the map and so they don't reach the max fly height.

i am wondering if i have too many hint nodes or trees.

That doesn't help. We don't even know when exactly it crashes.

Dakota wrote:...the map is a rectangle (yes to a multible of 2, i checked)...

A multiple of 2 is not the same as a power of 2.

Teancum wrote:That doesn't help. We don't even know when exactly it crashes.

ooh, forgot to say when it crashes

it crashes when all of the dots are full but the map itself doesn't show load into the spawn screen. so it crashes in the loadscreen right when if it was working correctly it would turn on to the map.

AceMastermind wrote:

Dakota wrote:...the map is a rectangle (yes to a multible of 2, i checked)...

A multiple of 2 is not the same as a power of 2.

ok its a power of two... one is half the size of the other. its 128 by 64.

Dakota wrote:its 128 by 64.

I am fairly sure it needs to be square...

Noobasaurus wrote:

Dakota wrote:its 128 by 64.

I am fairly sure it needs to be square...

are you sure about that?

EDIT: ok i finally got to test the stock sides on this map and it still crashes, with no level 3 errors, at the same load spot that the other one has, and in the error log the only level 3 things are the FPM things.

can someone tell me how to fix those just to make sure they aren't a problem?

Noobasaurus wrote:

Dakota wrote:its 128 by 64.

I am fairly sure it needs to be square...

Nope, a rectangle works. I've done it myself. And technically speaking it shouldn't even be an issue one way or another, as a map that is not a power of 2 shouldn't crash. In my experience it just causes all objects to be misplaced. I could be wrong on that though.

Noobasaurus wrote:

Dakota wrote:its 128 by 64.

I am fairly sure it needs to be square...

Yep, that's going to be a HUGE issue later on. Rectangles will mess up placement of objects and AI pathing. The map must be a square and a power of 2, (64x64, 128x128, 256x256 or 512x512). I very much don't recommend doing 1024x1024. People will tell you "I've done it" but a map that big will cause problems for lots of players.

Nope, unfortunately the only thing you can do now is start over on your terrain. You can keep your objects in the same place if you wish, but you'll have to wipe out your terrain and make it anew.

Teancum wrote:People will tell you "I've done it" but a map that big will cause problems for lots of players.

I've done it. Caused me lots of problems.

I guess I should have been more clear on what I did with my rectangular map. It was only a test map, and had literally one object on it and several vehicles. No planning whatsoever. So basically I didn't do a thorough test in any sense of the word. I'm glad to know this though, since I had intended to work with rectangle maps in the future. Now I won't waste my time.


However, one way or another I doubt the rectangle map is the source of the crash. First things first, remove your custom sides, then the vehicles. After resizeing the map like Tean said of course. Also, removing all bots from a map is a good way to find errors in a custom side/vehicle. Oh, and are the vehicles you mentioned custom?

Teancum wrote:

Noobasaurus wrote:

Dakota wrote:its 128 by 64.

I am fairly sure it needs to be square...

Yep, that's going to be a HUGE issue later on. Rectangles will mess up placement of objects and AI pathing. The map must be a square and a power of 2, (64x64, 128x128, 256x256 or 512x512). I very much don't recommend doing 1024x1024. People will tell you "I've done it" but a map that big will cause problems for lots of players.

Nope, unfortunately the only thing you can do now is start over on your terrain. You can keep your objects in the same place if you wish, but you'll have to wipe out your terrain and make it anew.

can't be a rectangle, wish i knew that before i worked for a whole day on just the map getting everything all perfect...

i have one question though, is there any way possible to just add on pieces of terrain onto the sides of the map to make it a square?

THEWULFMAN wrote:

Teancum wrote:People will tell you "I've done it" but a map that big will cause problems for lots of players.

I've done it. Caused me lots of problems.

I guess I should have been more clear on what I did with my rectangular map. It was only a test map, and had literally one object on it and several vehicles. No planning whatsoever. So basically I didn't do a thorough test in any sense of the word. I'm glad to know this though, since I had intended to work with rectangle maps in the future. Now I won't waste my time.


However, one way or another I doubt the rectangle map is the source of the crash. First things first, remove your custom sides, then the vehicles. After resizeing the map like Tean said of course. Also, removing all bots from a map is a good way to find errors in a custom side/vehicle. Oh, and are the vehicles you mentioned custom?

he said a map that big would cause problems in the post wulf, saying that a map of 1024x1024 would be bad. anyway i already tested it with stock sides and the vehecals were set not to spawn in that era. also i always keep bots off when testing unless its a play test after i get all of the unit/weapon bugs worked out that i can find.