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I modelled a new starship, gave it appropriate nulls and such. Then I exported it, tryed to add it to a space map, and watched it crash.

I'll post the error log if anyone needs it. But for now my question is: is it a necesity for starships to have animations? I'm not sure; I think not, becuase several shipped models don't seem to have any (A-wing, Y-wing, the TIE fighters, Droid Tri-Fighter, CIS bomber, etc....).

Fiodis wrote:becuase several shipped models don't seem to have any (A-wing, Y-wing, the TIE fighters, Droid Tri-Fighter, CIS bomber, etc....).

Actually, the above bolded fighters do have animations, but that is irrelevant as no flyer vehicle model needs animations to work.

Well, I suppose it's not an issue with the mesh, then. Should I make a new topic in the modding forum dealing with ODFs and LUAs and whatnot, or should this one just be moved?

Fiodis wrote:I modelled a new starship, gave it appropriate nulls and such. Then I exported it, tryed to add it to a space map, and watched it crash.

Did you mean the ship crashed or the map crashed?
Did you get any munge errors?

The game crashed; there is nothing in the error log about the ship, only about other stock ships, which is wierd; the only mungelog errors were warnings of a couple shipped models with NO COLLISION GEOMETRY (WILL BE SLOW!)-type stuff.

It would seem that your original question was answered, and if indeed the only errors in your log have to do with shipped vehicles, then I'd say that is where your problem is.

Frisbeetarian wrote:It would seem that your original question was answered, and if indeed the only errors in your log have to do with shipped vehicles, then I'd say that is where your problem is.

Yes, but the thing is that before I added the ship everything worked fine; afterwards I get these errors about stock ships, which were working fine a munge ago and that I haven't edited.

Does removing your new ship make the map no longer crash?

Removing the ship did make the map stop crashing, so it isn't any shipped asset but is the ship that causes the CTD.

I have a few odd error log errors: So it can't find an ODF. Never mind that I'm loading a default TUR side, without any DC: in the line. That doesn't seem to matter to this misbehaving LUA.
Roughly 50 of these, all of them identical. And the thing is, both stock command flyers show up and function fine.
Quite a bit of these. As the only models in the map, at this moment, are stock models, it seems some stock models are missing hardpoints. Never mind that all the hardpoints, as far as I can see, are there: the LUA doesn't seem to care. Pandemic must've made a mistake and forgotten important hardpoints, yes?


So that is my controversial and self-incriminating error log. And, I'll point out once more, once I add my custom ship the map crashes but I don't get any error log messages about it, or even munge log messages.

Is the ship you're trying to add a command flyer? Why don't you post the hierarchy of the ship in XSI so we can make sure it's right there and move this topic out of this forum.

It is not a command flyer.


The heirarchy:

And you can confirm you do not have any lines in your ships odf that relate to animations, like Take Off. Animation errors will crash a map without error, darn things. So if you don't have any anims and the line is still there it will crash. Also for your turrets, if you have any, do you have a .option file for your ships msh the -keep nameofturretnodes

This being a simple one-man starfighter, I have no turrets.

The ODF doesn't conatin any lines that seem to portain to animations. Here it is if you want to have a go, but I'm sure there aren't any animation lines in there. Unless flyers use some kind of code for the animation that I don't recognize as refering to an animation.
I have a req file for it, too; but I don't have a folder called "fpm" in my side's req folder. Should I make this folder, if it is necesary for flyers? What is it used for, anyway? First-person?

What is this?

Fiodis wrote:

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VehicleType             = "fighter"

What if it was this?

cis_fly_greviousfighter.odf wrote:

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VehicleType             = "flyer"

Woah. I...I don't know. What would that do? Is that the sort of disguised animation line I was talking about, a hint to the game engine that ODFs with type "fighter" have anims whereas those with type "flyer" don't? But no.... That can't be it, since the "greviousfighter" is the CIS bomber, and that does have anims (I've noticed them now, thanks, Mav.)

So....what does that line do?

hm... the tiefighter uses VehicleType = "fighter" now I wonder what the difference is, too.

the grievous fighter had it under gameobjectclass and the tie had it under protperties. I wonder if that makes a difference?

hm, only the grievous fighter uses flyer under gameobjectclass, all the other ones i looked at use fighter under properties

Look at my own ODF: Specifically, under GameObjectClass and under Properties.

here's the grievous fighter that i'm looking at

[GameObjectClass]
ClassLabel = "flyer"
VehicleType = "flyer"
GeometryName = "cis_fly_greviousfighter.msh"

[Properties]
FLYERSECTION = "BODY"
HUDModel = "hud_grievousstarfighter_shape"
Label = "Greviousfighter"
...

and VehicleType does not appear anywhere at all under [Properties]

don't know what the problem could be then

Hm. Classlabel and VehicleType bouth ought to go under GameObjectClass, then? Strange, considering what I have is basically the Republic's ARC-170 odf with a few values changed. I didn't mess with that at all.

Here's the shipped ARC-170's ODF, the GameObjectClass and the first of the Properties section:
Does anyone know why the VehicleType line keeps moving around in different ODFs, and what it is used for?


EDIT - So no one has any idea how I can fix this?


EDIT 2 - What does Targetable Collision = "CollisionMesh" mean?

EDIT 3 - Well, whatever it is, it seems to have been an ODF issue, since I tried using the stock ARC-170 odf again, tweaking a few values, and this time around it worked. So thanks everyone. One last question to do with the starfighters: my new model doesn't shoot from its weapons, it shoots from its dummyroot. Do I need a msh.option with a -keep parameter?

EDIT 4 - Made one, with a list of all the nulls except dummyroot. Four hp_contrails, four hp_fires, three hp_damages. It didn't work. What is happening when the model shoots from the wrong spot, then?