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A weapon that can turn a unit into an ordnance...possible?

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:59 pm
by Dakota
i was just modding and made a weapon that is an ultra lightning attack for dark siders and it hits a unit and then my custom lightning ball effect plays on them and they fly up in the air then fall back down with the effect still playing. it inspired me to ask this: "Is is possible to make a weapon that can hit a person and then turn that person into an ordanence?"

anyone ever try this?

Re: is this possible

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:12 pm
by THEWULFMAN
No, and, No.Image

Re: is this possible

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:30 pm
by Fiodis
On topic: Generally when something begins with "is this possible" the answer is either no or yes but it's very difficult/not worth it. In this case you want to turn a unit into ordance; turning anything into anything else is difficult and usually impossible.

It's best to become more acquainted with the workings of the mod tools and what is as well as what isn't feasable, then outline a general theory as to how something might be accomplished and post asking "would this work?"

Re: is this possible

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:32 pm
by Dakota
if only this was possible... like an ordanence that hits a unit and then it vaporises that unit and when it hits the unit the ord changes shape into a unit which then can hit other things... but i guess an ordanence that changes shape in ways like that would be impossible... or is it


and offtopic: you just get the extra smilies from the internet and insert them with the img button

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the less you know eugene, the better )why did watching spongebob when i was young do this to me(

EDIT: this is the second time today that you have posted right before i could submit my post :shock:

Re: is this possible

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:32 pm
by sim-al2
Did you ever try right-clicking on the images? :P

/Off-topic

The shooting in the air thing and back down is probably not possible, but you could make the weapon have a high push value, like that of some modders' grenades. :shock:

Re: is this possible

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:35 pm
by Dakota
sim-al2 wrote:Did you ever try right-clicking on the images? :P

/Off-topic

The shooting in the air thing and back down is probably not possible, but you could make the weapon have a high push value, like that of some modders' grenades. :shock:

well i already got my weapon that pulls units into the air and then drops them. i just changed force lightning's push value from 0 to -100 and gave the explosion a value of 100 and it makes the units fly up and then come to you.

Re: is this possible

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:39 pm
by THEWULFMAN
What ordance would you want to turn the units into anyway?Image

Re: is this possible

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:52 pm
by Dakota
THEWULFMAN wrote:What ordance would you want to turn the units into anyway?Image

no i said i wanted the ordance to turn into the shape of a unit not the other way around.

oh wait did u mean the units in the air... well i had a lightning storm effect around them and wanted them to fall down as like a shell and land in a giant emp explosion and kill anything near it...

Re: is this possible

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:58 pm
by THEWULFMAN
Even with my limited lua scripting knowledge I know its impossible. I tried thinking of a way to do it with a matrix, but I cant think of what to spawn?Image

Re: is this possible

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:02 pm
by Fiodis
You could spawn a self-destructing turret.

But with that the idea passes into the realm of "not feasable" from the land of "not possible."

Re: is this possible

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:44 pm
by CalvaryCptMike
I think I know how to do this!!! Should I keep it a secret or spill the beans? :D

Re: is this possible

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:59 pm
by Dakota
sees can of beans on the floor*

hmm looks like u already spilled it... but tell us what u think will work.

i think i should rename this the random speculation thread that would be a better title.

Re: is this possible

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:34 am
by CalvaryCptMike
Dakota wrote:i was just modding and made a weapon that is an ultra lightning attack for dark siders and it hits a unit and then my custom lightning ball effect plays on them and they fly up in the air then fall back down with the effect still playing. it inspired me to ask this: "Is is possible to make a weapon that can hit a person and then turn that person into an ordanence?"

anyone ever try this?
Okay, here goes:
--First make a force weapon with a primary and secondary ordnances that fire simultaneously.
--Set the first ordinance as an invisible mortar shell grenade with your force-energy lightning ball effect as it's trail effect and make it so that it explodes on impact (like the mortar) set the push radius to be tiny but the push to be HUGE.
--Then make another invisible grenade, this one with no effect. Have it be the same physics as the first one BUT make it stick to it's target, and not detonate for about five seconds, then give it a regular explosion.

THAT'S IT!!! the end product should make it look like this:
you fire at a guy, then it hits him, he flies backward, and when he hits someone else, he explodes (take out the explosion fx and sounds if you want it to look like he slammed into someone.).
This should work quite well. I did something like this a while ago so it should work :)

I might try this out and get a video up pretty soon, maybe.

Re: A weapon that can turn a unit into an ordnance...possibl

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:43 am
by Lagomorphia
You could use DisintegrateEnemies (or whichever line the Bothan Incinerator uses) to make the second explosion disintegrate the explodee.

Re: A weapon that can turn a unit into an ordnance...possibl

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:04 am
by THEWULFMAN
Lagomorphia wrote:You could use DisintegrateEnemies (or whichever line the Bothan Incinerator uses) to make the second explosion disintegrate the explodee.

That line only works on emitter ordnance. And its SmolderVanishDeath = "1"

Re: A weapon that can turn a unit into an ordnance...possibl

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:15 am
by Fiodis
And if you miss the secondary ordance will still explode, where ever it happens to be.

I don't intend to be such an excessive naysayer. I'll happily believe it when I see it; seeing it is the only catch.

Re: A weapon that can turn a unit into an ordnance...possibl

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:21 am
by THEWULFMAN
Fiodis wrote:And if you miss the secondary ordance will still explode, where ever it happens to be.

I don't intend to be such an excessive naysayer. I'll happily believe it when I see it; seeing it is the only catch.

I concur :plokoon:

Which is why I didn't mention that idea, because it would always explode, unit or no unit.

Re: A weapon that can turn a unit into an ordnance...possibl

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:37 pm
by CalvaryCptMike
Well wait, what if it was that the explosion was invisible too? Then you wouldn't really notice when you missed. You could make it where it was invisible and only did damage to vehicles that way you would only notice when you hit a vehicle! And make it so it only sticks to people so it would be like a "Force Anti-Armour Push" :P

Re: A weapon that can turn a unit into an ordnance...possibl

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:01 pm
by Dakota
or you could just get the force lightning, give it a push or pull (depending on what u want) then have a second ordanace that is an invisable grenade and then have that with the timer like the post above says and then you would have the disintergrate.


my other idea was haveing the force lightning (mentioned above) and having it disintergrate the person on contact and then having a second ord that has the msh of a person and having that with a big shot elevate and it being a shell and having it crash into other people.

and i noticed in my other mod that when u have a nade on someone and that person disappears the nade seems to do the same thing and just go underground and lose all colision. so i think the second idea i have may look weird but it may or may not work. lets just hope that the nade doesn't disapper like my other one did >.>

Re: A weapon that can turn a unit into an ordnance...possibl

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:53 pm
by Fiodis
CalvaryCptMike wrote:Well wait, what if it was that the explosion was invisible too? Then you wouldn't really notice when you missed. You could make it where it was invisible and only did damage to vehicles that way you would only notice when you hit a vehicle! And make it so it only sticks to people so it would be like a "Force Anti-Armour Push" :P
I thought the point was to have the grenade damage units so that one unit would fly into another and hurt him. If you're just trying to get a force push that will knock one unit into another and push them both over, it's far simpler to just have a force push that pushes everything over in a certain ray - which is what the stock force push already does.
Dakota wrote:my other idea was haveing the force lightning (mentioned above) and having it disintergrate the person on contact and then having a second ord that has the msh of a person and having that with a big shot elevate and it being a shell and having it crash into other people.

...may look weird but it may or may not work.
Whatever the nade does after it hits someone, what it does before will be even wierder. You'll have a full-size unit locked in the stock T-pose fly out of your head and travel, rigidly, through the air.