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Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:00 am
by Lozza
Kinda sounds like advertising the site a bit to me.
I don't think so... plus its 'game toast' that made it.
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:14 pm
by Ping
[TFA]Padawan_Fighter wrote:
Eh, that seems like a decent plot. But by GT, do you mean Gametoast? Kinda sounds like advertising the site a bit to me.
I think it's more of a comedic thing than advertising.
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:58 pm
by RevanSithLord
Ping wrote:[TFA]Padawan_Fighter wrote:
Eh, that seems like a decent plot. But by GT, do you mean Gametoast? Kinda sounds like advertising the site a bit to me.
I think it's more of a comedic thing than advertising.
Wouldn't call it advertising. It's more like.... 'We're just proud GT members who made it for fun...and the lawlz' Yeah. It's more a comedic thing we're going for. xD
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:05 pm
by Havoc 526
lol I love the "failing the task epically".
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:20 am
by [TFA]Padawan_Fighter
Meh, maybe. But still it wouldn't make any sense if there was an actual GAR squad called 'Gametoast'.
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:22 pm
by Twilight_Warrior
XD you're overthinking this waaaaaaaaaaay too much, Padawan_Fighter. It's a comedy. Alot of things will happen that don't make sense. This is just for fun, not for overseriousness or in-universe continuity.
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:00 pm
by mswf
I really like your idea so far. May I chip in:
If you need or want a nice opening scene (like the came going from an overview point to zooming in on the battlefield), I could import a few models into Blender, spruce things up a bit, do some more editing, render it and shazam; you've got a custom, original thing. I do have experience in short animatics and I've studied from a text-book on camera theory and stuff, so don't worry about me going below your standards.
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:48 pm
by RevanSithLord
mswf wrote:I really like your idea so far. May I chip in:
If you need or want a nice opening scene (like the came going from an overview point to zooming in on the battlefield), I could import a few models into Blender, spruce things up a bit, do some more editing, render it and shazam; you've got a custom, original thing. I do have experience in short animatics and I've studied from a text-book on camera theory and stuff, so don't worry about me going below your standards.
Dude. That'd be so awesome!
Would definitely help. And it seems it'd be epic especially if I time up music correctly. I was actually thinking an overhead shot starting out would look really nice. I'm glad I wasn't alone in that regard. Consider yourself a helper.
I've got an entire book that's basically a film class without actually going to a school for it, so I could also look in my book and throw some ideas out from it. I also learned film in High-school, so...yeah. But I've been in machinima since 2005. Never once have I truly asked for a mass amount of help, and right now, I'm glad I have been. And I'm trying to keep it exciting for everyone. I've unfortunately had writer's block for a few days. I've been listening to music for inspiration, I've even gone in multiple games to draw some more ideas, but nothing is ringing any bells.
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:58 am
by [TFA]Padawan_Fighter
I could help with the script in my spare time. But first, we'd need some characters. It would probably be a good idea if some of you guys could give some ideas. I should probably start.
Sergeant CC-1942 "Romm" - The Sergeant in charge of the operation. He seems to be overzealous about his occupation, and can be quite gullible at times.
Corporal CC-2101 "Jax" - Squad Leader Assistant. While not quite as enthusiastic about his place as his superior, he seems to be more sensible than Romm, and usually makes most of the logical decisions in the squad, only to have Romm take credit for it.
Private First Class CC-2021 "Nym" - (Possible main character, if hes not going to be we can just throw him out) New recruit, and serves as a scout to the squad. While sort of shy around the other clones, he is a sensible person and his quick thinking gets him out of trouble most of the time.
Private CC-1337 "Twitch" - The squad's main offense. Due to a cloning malfunction, his brain did not grow and mature like all the other clones, resulting in a psychotic, trigger-happy, fast-talking clone. He is often avoided by other members of the squad. Despite his mental condition and extreme lack of social skills, he is quite adept with a weapon and is able to kill just about anything in a heartbeat.
Unit B1B-185 "Quirk" - A rogue B1 battle droid that defected and allied with the GT squad. As a prototype droid model, he was designed to be more intelligent than his droid comrades, but also had a touch of individuality and morality, and broke free from Separatist control. Also as a prototype droid model, however, he was being monitored, and his presence started endangering the lives of his new Republic allies. Quirk does not appear until further into the series.
And by all means feel free to add/change the characters as you please.
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:42 am
by Fiodis
In my opinion, the characters ought to be shaped by the story, not the story shaped by the characters. For example, you wrote that Romm seems overzealous; but you haven't written out a single word of dialogue to show that he is. Then, when you go to write, you'll be constrained to make Romm overzealous and you'll just have a harder time of it. Taken to a broader context, you have a whole squad
described, but you have nothing to back it up with. When the time comes to write the dialogue that supports these characterizations, you'll find it a lot harder than you thought to support
everyone at once.
[TFA]Padawan_Fighter wrote:And by all means feel free to add/change the characters as you please.
If it were up to me, I'd get rid of everything except the names and maybe squad roles (Romm as leader, etc.). I'd also get rid of B1B entirely. If, later on in the story, it
made sense to introduce a rogue B1 droid, then by all means go ahead. But planning something that "does not appear until further into the series" before you even have a single episode written out seems rather shortsighted.
Also, if it were up to me, I would avoid the entire squad thing altogether. This just has too much of a likelyhood to turn into a cheap SW RVB.
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:28 pm
by Grev
[TFA]Padawan_Fighter wrote:
Eh, that seems like a decent plot. But by GT, do you mean Gametoast? Kinda sounds like advertising the site a bit to me.
Um... That's not really a plot. More of a... summary of what might happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_(narr ... _structure
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:49 am
by [TFA]Padawan_Fighter
Very well. These were just proposals, anyway. Something to help get the machinima up and going.
But I'm curious as to what you had in mind, Fiodis, if you did.
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:22 pm
by Fiodis
[TFA]Padawan_Fighter wrote:But I'm curious as to what you had in mind, Fiodis, if you did.
Well, just like I believe the characters are shaped by the story, so too I think the story arises as a result of the feel of the times. The American Revolution occured because all the tension that had built up in the prior decades had to suddenly be released. The rise of fascism occured in the mid-twentieth century because of several other factors, including the Great Depression. Everything has a logical cause; the initial state of something dictates what happens afterwards.
Likewise, if you set your story in the (in my opinion) overused Clone Wars period (which only lasted, what, three years?), your story is bound to revolve around a group or groups of clone troopers fighting for the Republic on some bleak planet no one's ever heard of, because that's the main thing that was happening at that time. Of course, you could trace the story of a Rodian child orphaned by Republic raids or an honest Bothan trader caught up in a web of deceit; but you won't because no one will think to suggest it because the initial, overwhelming impulse is to Clones, as you (and the countless Clone reskins) have shown. After seeing so many Clone War era mods and maps, and going through all the hype about it, culminating in TCW, aren't you getting tired of it?
Why not move away from that? Why not take the setting and move it somewhere completely else - why not tell your own story? I find the years prior to Episode I particularly interesting, myself - you don't hear much about them and yet they set the prelude to Empire. Those initial years when the Sith finally began stirring eventually led to all that happened after. That's just one example. In general, you could set your story to start on planet A during time period B and ask yourself, What was happening on or around A during B? You get some ideas that way; and by possibly starting with more than one planet you have a few more ideas; and by mixing and matching them you have the beginnings of a plotline. All you have to do, then, is simply sit back and let it develope itself - keep asking yourself what would make sense to happen next.
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:48 pm
by Press_Tilty
Fiodis is right. While clones might be better because you can't see their faces (so talking isn't weird), I think a stormtrooper thing would be better.
1. You can't see their faces.
2. Stormtroopers are stupid anyway.
3. The Empire is evil so we can make comparisons to WalMart and stuff. Evil good guys has more joke options.
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:09 am
by [TFA]Padawan_Fighter
That sounds good, but it kinda goes against Revan's description of the story. He defines it as being near the First Battle of Geonosis. >.>
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:53 pm
by Fiodis
[TFA]Padawan_Fighter wrote:That sounds good, but it kinda goes against Revan's description of the story. He defines it as being near the First Battle of Geonosis. >.>
That could be directed to either Tilty or me. Assuming me,
My paragraphs are directed as much to Revan as to everyone else in general - in the opening post he says:
RevanSithLord wrote:I think two [comedy] series are not enough and why not help GT out with the media department, eh?
I will point out that there are
no non-comedy BF2 machinimas out there anywhere, at all.
RevanSithLord wrote:My aim in terms of comedy will be kind of like RvB, but we'd have our own sets of jokes and stuff and maybe can make a few references to RvB if we wanted (and obviously give credit to Rooster Teeth, maybe, down the line, see what they think). I'm not going to 'copy' RvB at all, but the style of comedy/presentation is what I typically like and what I usually try to aim for. At the very least, the presentation. The characters (in one location), another group of characters (in the opposite location), crude humor against one another, etc etc.
Oh hilarious, lolfartz. You're going to basically put RvB into a BF2 setting, but making up your own jokes. That's not copying RvB, at all, certainly. How could it be, if RvB is Halo?
When it comes down to it, I think you oughtn't make a comedy series at all. They don't often have as much of a plotline as more serious stories, instead getting most of their appeal from crude, basic, offensive-to-some-people "jokes" - note Destiny IV's (imo) excessive use of...something to do with gay clones.
It would be more work to make a non-comedic series that was still good, true. But the Dark Side is not stronger than the Light - only easier.
Yoda wrote:If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.
I know Revan is Supreme Lord of All That Is Decided In This Thread, but please, do BF2 machinimas a long-denied justice and rise above the petty crude-humor machinimas. I often get tired of seeing good Glamour Shots being put down by commentors on SWBFFiles because they're "not funny." Don't do the same with videos.
On a slightly similar subject,
RevanSithLord wrote:I know this sounds egotistical, but I'm going to be one of the main characters (I need more acting time, imo,).
But then you
are Supreme Lord of All That Is Decided In This Thread.
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:49 pm
by CCO!
Haven't been here for a while (lost interest in BF2 when my cpu broke, have since uninstalled) but I'm happy to help with Script and character. Not to mention providing the odd "quirky/childish" voice. I'm going to add you up on Steam next time I get the chance. Also, Revan, you say you've directed in real life? Any feature films or anything of the sort?
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:53 pm
by RevanSithLord
@ Fiodis - You seem to have woken up on the wrong side of the bed or something unless I am misinterpreting this. Probably am misinterpreting, my bad.
I chose comedy because I can and because I want to. I guess if you can put it as 'Oh, you're taking RvB and putting it in the BF2 engine? How original, bravo, props!' then sure, go ahead, by all means. I won't change anyone's minds if they think all my stuff is typical and boring and 'copying', by all means, think what you wish and you roll those eyes as you please. I'm no stranger to sarcasm. No, I do not wish to copy RvB. A few references, maybe. I'm merely saying I like the style of their comedy. So I will do my best not to make it an RvB clone (no pun intended).
@ Press_Tilty - I've already talked with AQT, there's definitely going to be Empire stuff in there. I just started out with clones, because, quite honestly.... I want to. I'm going to try and make the story kind of unique. Somewhat. Nothing can ever be completely unique now-a-days.
Clones starting out because I want to.
Comedy because I want to and quite frankly, I love laughing.
No more, no less. Yes, over used, I know. But don't worry, we'll be including a lot of GCW stuff too. No part of BF2 will be untouched from this humor ...or depending how you look at it.... stupidity.
@ Fiodis (again. lol. Hii...) - As for 'Destiny IV', I've already acted in that series once as Pvt. Alex. And to be honest, I don't think I did a good job by any stretch of the imagination. There's not going to be any 'Gay Clone jokes' in this one, not to worry. As for the time period, for now it will start in the Clone Wars era. Who knows? Maybe we'll jump back before Episode I (which you're right....it is a rather unique time period). Maybe we'll jump to Episode IV. Maybe we'll even jump all the way back to the Old Republic era and be all like, "Holy Mace Windu's Ghost. What's going on?!" It is after all, comedy. Something's bound to never make sense somewhere along the lines.
As for my 'egotistical' sounding statement (at least I still think it sounded that way, I don't ever like when I sound that way and yes, I am critical of myself), I'm voicing one of the main characters because I think voice acting is fun. I know, I am the 'Supreme Lord of All That Is Decided In This Thread', but I'm not letting that power get to my head. And since my voice can never be taken seriously, even in a serious machinima/film, I could never make a serious machinima until I work on being able to change how my voice sounds.
As for the crude humor... don't worry, we'll try and not make it too crude.
Hope none of this sounds harsh, I just wanted to explain WHY I was doing a things like this. To sum it up, I want to, and it really seems like a lot of other people like the idea, so I'm going to go with it.
Yes, comedy is easier, sure....but I think laughter is a nice cure for a lot of things. So whether people are laughing cause it's funny...or because it's stupid, I still accomplished something. I love making people laugh, it gives me a good feeling to see people smiling and laughing (well, hear about that they did....and again, I'm no stranger to sarcasm. I can usually tell if people used sarcasm, internet or not). And I HOPE that I can achieve that in some way. Laughing. I like laughing.....it's a good thing. I hate seeing sad or serious faces all the time. It gets boring and depressing...and I've had enough depression lately because of finances. Time to bring out the smiles.
@ CCO! - School assignments mainly. Sadly my teacher deleted the files after school was out, but I did a fairly decent job, at the very best. I have acted in a couple feature-length films, however. I was actually the main character in one of them recently, surprisingly (He directs films for a living other than teaching, but he also teaches it too at the same school I went to. The recent project was not school related. And how could it be? I've been graduated since May of last year). Still waiting for it to be released so I can check it out. Might also be one of my tickets to Hollywood. I don't really see highly of myself, to be honest, but I suppose if my teacher who directed them said I did a fabulous job, I'll just go with it, but I never really let it get to my head.
@ Everyone - As for this project, it's still going, but I still have writer's block for the first episode (I know what you're thinking - "This project will fail like everything else." Who knows? It might, it might not. I hope not, which is why I'm trying to establish everything....and do all the preliminary work getting everything in place so I can actually get the first episode done. It's probably going to be slow, but it won't die as long as people want it to continue). I absolutely hate writer's block.....does anyone know how to get around that? I've got a few ideas thanks to a few people, though, so it's not as bad as last time.
(Hope no one takes anything the wrong way, that's common for me when I type long posts... last thing I want is someone saying that I said something bad or mean. Which is my main intention.)
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:49 pm
by THEWULFMAN
Oh poo, i only just discovered this thread, i prob could help out doing different things, i can model in blender pretty well, i have free cam, and screen caputre devices. I also voice act, and im working on my own bf2 comedy video.
Re: SWBF2 Machinima Series?
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:54 pm
by Jendo7
I like comedy, if you want serious just watch the prequel trilogy. After all the original trilogy was based in comedy, and I quote:
I think this is will be really fun, and all the best Machinima series are comedies in my opinion. Gaming just seems to suit that genre for some reason.